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Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Earl Bonovich, Oct 16, 2007.
Start a new thread w/ a poll on the lack of OTA topic.
Encoders, decoders, I can't keep track all of these technical terms.
Some TV's can't do HD PIP for both sides of the screen, at least mine can't.
I think more of the issue is, both "pictures"/tuners can't be HDMI. At least it is for mine.
Anyway....Back to Topic......sorry
the reason they took the ota tuners out of the h21 and the hr21 is because the frequency of the new channels is the same as the ota which causes you to not receive some of the new channels***that my understanding anyway***
It is brilliant if they sell 100,000 units. They just made $500,000 more prophit. If the number of people really needing OTA really is that low, then I cannot blame them. I am an OTA person, but realize that money is the over-riding factor with any bussiness.
You got the part right about the new HD channels and OTA channels are on the same frequencies and that is why you can not diplexe a OTA into the SAT line anymore. But that is not why there is no OTA.
If you run a separate OTA line to a HR20 and H20 you will still receive all the new HD channels.
And if you think it was just $5.... please post your source for that calculation... as I can tell you it is definently more then $5
But then again... you are just throwing "stuff" at the wall to see what sticks... aren't you?
OTA isn't a key feature. Therefore it is not stupid.
Whoa!! That's not nominal at all!!
Yep...I made up the $5 figure. But it's good to know that nobody here has any defense for how great this new IRD is. Everyone seems to agree that it's just D* trying to save some $$$ and apparently that's enough to get everyone here all excited.
The reason (as stated many times before before) is to have versions with and without OTA supported.
By the way, my 2 HR20-700's with OTA also get all the new channels just fine - my HR21-700 without OTA does as well.
Here's a new approach to make things simple.
For those who actually read the First Look document completely, it would become very obvious that this new unit would either be ideal for you or it would not - it includes a clear comparison of the differences between the HR21-700 and the HR20 series. For those who like the new color, the faster new chipset, the new Ethernet connectivity, etc......then the HR21 is right for you.
For those who do not see the value in those things and/or are in life-threatening need of OTA broadcast reception, then the HR20 series is perfect for you.
What "defense" is necessary?
Is another box in the HR20 series... and it is just as good as the HR20-700 and the HR20-100..
No major "leaps" here... the software is the same... the core "pieces" are all the same... the connections... are all the same...
Sorry that somewhere in your head that you had this HR21 on some pedestial as it was going to be some monster technological leap here.
As it was never built, designed, or planned to be that.
And it is not a "shock" that DirecTV is trying to reduce the financial loss they take on each HR20/HR21 they make.
Anyone that thinks DirecTV is not a buisness and tries to maximize their bottom line... is just fooling themselves..
No worries...I learned long ago not to expect any forward direction from D*. It seems every time I 'upgrade', I have to part with a feature that I consider paramount (ie. having to lose dual tuners on my D*TiVo to get an HD DVR that supports all of the new HD channels). I appreciate the responses and the work you do on this forum.
Uh....that is wrong information as well...
The HR20 series have 4 tuners in them - 2 Sat tuners and 2 OTA tuners
The HR21 has 2 Sat tuners
Looks like you "upgraded" and didn't know it.
I was under the impression that the HR20 and HR21 are exactly the same, maybe different colors black or silver. Same motherboard etc. If this is not true what is the difference?
I am able to record 3 shows at one time with my HR20! 1 OTA and 2 HD or SD programs. I thought some had disputed this ability. I have 2 units (HR20) and they both can do this.
Different motherboards with some different internal components, but essentially the same functionality, minus the OTA on the HR21.
If you've gotten 3 things to record at once (not counting VOD) that would be a first. Would you kindly take a photo of your "My Playlist" screen showing 3 things recording on 3 different channels? There are many here that would like to see that.
Sorry...I was referring to the dual live buffers. :sure:
I don't have a digital camera, but I will be buying one soon. In all honesty I am able to record 1 OTA program and 2 Satellite programs at the same time with both my HR20's.
Thank you for the feedback on the differences on the HR20 versus the HR21 Koz, I appreciate the quick response.
DLB (dual live buffers) can be supported in any of the HR20 or HR21 series DVR's when D*TV determines to add that capability to the firmware for all of those units - it is not hardware dependent. So far, they have chosen not to do it, but it certainly may happen in the future.
It's been clear since your first post on this thread that you're just trolling for arguments' sake. You seem incapable of rational discussion about the merits of the box (especially with those who've actually been able to use and test them), nor consider the fact that OTA recording through a satellite receiver is not core functionality for a good number of Directv subscribers. Ergo, further discussion with you is a waste of time.
As for me, I want another one bad enough that I am going to wait until they are available and order one as soon as possible thereafter.