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DBSTALK FIRST LOOK: In-Home Dish DVR-921 Review

Discussion in 'Other HD Receiver Support Forum (811, 921, 942)' started by Mark Lamutt, Dec 15, 2003.

  1. Mark Lamutt

    Mark Lamutt Your Neighborhood Liasion

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    At this point in time, that should work.
     
  2. Mark Lamutt

    Mark Lamutt Your Neighborhood Liasion

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    Post #8 in this thread (direct link here: http://www.dbstalk.com/showpost.php?p=175995&postcount=8) has been updated with more review information and answers to all of the questions (I think) that I said I'd check into this weekend. Got more questions? That's what I'm here for! :)
     
  3. wildman

    wildman New Member

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    Hope this isn't too simple a question, but....

    I have a plasma display (fujitsu) with DVI-D, but the 921 is DVI-I.

    How will one know if the two devices will interface?
     
  4. MikeSoltis

    MikeSoltis Godfather/Supporter DBSTalk Gold Club

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    Good question, I have been wanting to know this also. Does the 921 output on DVI through the digital pins or the analog pins, or both? AFAIK, a DVI-D cable will plug into a DVI-I jack, just won't pass the analog signals (no pins)...

    Mark, the 501 does this too. I believe it's just something inherent in the nature of digital video coding, it's easier to scan forward smoothly than it is to scan backwards. I'm sure someone on this forum can explain it in a little more detail than I.
     
  5. DVDDAD

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    That sounds like it should work. But why would you need a remote repeater if the 921 has a UHF remote?
     
  6. thorr

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    I do not have a phone line. Can I use this product? I am concerned about activation, upgrades and program data, etc. Thanks.

    Mike
     
  7. thorr

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    Regarding DVI-I, DVI-I is both DVI-D and DVI-A (digital and analog) compatible. Some of the connector holes in the DVI-I are for analog, others are for digital. A DVI-D cable is missing some pins, but plugs into the DVI-I port just fine.
     
  8. wildman

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    Thanks Thorr for the response...

    But to clarify, are you saying because it plugs in fine that it passes all the information necessary between the two fine too?
     
  9. thorr

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  10. Mark Lamutt

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    thorr - currently, Dish doesn't require a phone line connection. That may change in the future, however.
     
  11. thorr

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    Mark - Thanks, that is totally awesome news! Up until now, the upcoming Comcast solution was my only option. I will definitely have to weigh the options before making a purchase. It will come down to monthly price, firewire, and number of HD channels.

    I currently have DirecTV, but they don't support Tivo's internet connection method, so my days with them are numbered.
     
  12. peterd

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    Mark -

    From your answer, I'm not sure the original question was clear. I never press the SD/HD button on my 6000 (always in HD mode). Here's the scenario: I tune in an SD (480i) channel and set the aspect to (for instance) Stretch, then I tune in an HD (480p, 720p or 1080i) channel and set the aspect to Normal. After than, as I change channels, the 6000 will change from Stretch to Normal as I move from any SD channel to any HD channel. What does the 921 do?
    Mark -

    Did you by any chance try the same thing using an analog OTA station with mapped prime-time network listing as the starting point?

    I have to say, I hope this lack of OTA listings was "the" bug that was holding up the release. Time-shifting HBO, HDNET, etc. is ok, but their schedules already have a lot of redundancy built into any given week. It is the network schedules where DVRs really shine. If Dish told me I could timeshift HD OTA using the guide to get program listings and that to do that I'd have to pay not only the $4.99 DVR fee but also $5.99 for (SD) locals, I'd probably (grudgingly) pay up. But if I can't use the guide to get program listings for HD OTA (and all my recordings show up in the list as date & time without any titles!), not only will I not buy the 921 (which I've been planning on buying for 2 years since seeing it at CES), but I will be eagerly awaiting the HD DirecTivo (even though it means giving up on DVHS archiving of movies via Dishwire)!

    (My $0.02)
     
  13. Mark Lamutt

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    You're right - I didn't get the original question. Now I do. The 921 acts like your 6000 does, performing exactly the way you describe in your scenario.


    Even after adding an OTA analog channel, and assigning it to a network, there's still no guide data for that OTA analog channel (at least not this time of night - there may be during primetime...I don't know). So, if there's no guide data to work from, it's a moot point.

    And no, unfortunately, this isn't THE BUG...(although that is supposed to be fixed now - I should know tomorrow when the new software is downloaded).

    I know that Dish has plans for guide data for the local OTAs, but it's still a few months off.
     
  14. santellavision

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    Peter, I think you're missing out on something... the consensus of 6000 users is the best PQ is to use the SD output for SD material and HD for HD material. The scaler in the 6000 is crap. Almost any display's internal scaler will do a better job of scaling the SD material to 720/1080 than letting the 6000 do it.
     
  15. peterd

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    Ernie -
    Thanks. I realize this (in fact if I were after the absolute best PQ from my 6000 I'd get it SDI modded and feed that into my Vigatec). The big value of the 6000 for me is WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor). It is easy to turn it on and tune to whatever channel without concern for whether it is SD or HD, OTA or DBS, Analog or Digital.

    What my eyes are sensitive to when it comes to the poor SD PQ on satellite is not the effect of scaling, but (over-) compression artifacts. As a result, I avoid SD as much as possible. (Oh, and I don't leave the SD on stretch mode either - that was just an example so Mark would understand the behavior I thought was in question. ;) )
     
  16. peterd

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    Mark -
    Dish only provides guide data for OTA analog channels which are assigned to a network during primetime (even then there are gaps). Could you please try this test during primetime?

    Thanks again for all your testing!
     
  17. Mark Lamutt

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    I'll try to take a look at that tomorrow night...hmmm...I guess that would be tonight, now. :)
     
  18. DonLandis

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    Mark- How far into the future can you set a manual timer, (not from the guide as I know that is limited) Could you set the timer to record, say, 9PM - 10 PM on channel 101 for the next CC, I believe Jan 8th? or what ever, but beyond the normal guide limit?
     
  19. Doody

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    i do the same thing that peter does, and yes, it's sucky, but the root problem is that the unit should be configurable on an output basis, not absolutely. just like it stores stretch modes for HD -vs- SD channels, why can't it store the output mode (480i -vs- 720p (or whatever you prefer))? there has to be a means to automate this - way annoying.

    or, even better, as has been discussed elsewhere here, a mode to just have it pump out whatever it's getting in - a "native" mode. many folks have plenty of other technology happy to take in whatever DISH can dish out (groan) and process it appropriately.

    doody.
     
  20. Mark Lamutt

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    Don, I just set a manual timer from 8pm to 9pm for January 8, 2007... :)
     

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