DBSTalk First Look: Multi-Room Viewing Opt-in Beta

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Stuart Sweet, Jan 17, 2010.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. hdtvfan0001

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

    32,456
    258
    Jul 28, 2004
    Not so...

    As of last fall, DirecTV began using SWM switches as their common install standard for homes for customers with 2 or more DVRs. In some cases, they simply use it for 2 HD devices period. Every week, there are more and more folks out there with SWM units installed.

    The cost of installing using SWM is actually less than previous technologies, as it requires only 1 coax run to an HD DVR to power 2 tuners, whole costing about the same as the old Zinwell multiwitches to manufacture. Many other folks have even gone out and bought there own. In any case, a lower cost for installation.

    As for networking going forward, we also read here at DBSTalk (see the First Look) about the DirecTV plans for DECA technology, which supports reliable and higher-speed network connectivity within the whole-home framework. Like SWM....mainstream production and distribution of that technology will provide low-cost installation.

    Therefore, with SWM now the "standard" and at a decreased cost of installation, and with DECA likely not far away - the framework for them to provide a cost effective whole-home network-connected solution of existing HD DVRs is pretty much in place.

    The ability to deliver a cost-effective and reliable solution (one which stabilizes and even reduces install costs on a mass scale basis) is what has been driving all this new technology for years.

    Last....there are folks who are operating MRV on an existing network framework already, adding NO cost.

    So MRV can be rolled out gradually, with cost-effective ways to deliver it to those who have the need and equipment to use this new capability.
     
  2. Doug Brott

    Doug Brott Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    28,939
    72
    Jul 12, 2006
    Los Angeles
    VOD is revenue generating already via downloaded PPVs. DIRECTV feels they can charge for MRV, so they are. If you don't want to pay, the don't. You have that option. There are other non-integrated ways to obtain MRV.

    There are additional costs with supporting MRV whether we like it or not. This will be true even if no one that frequents DBSTalk signs up for this (at least one will be signing up assuming the costs are nominal). DIRECTV has chosen to charge to offset that cost.
     
  3. Doug Brott

    Doug Brott Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    28,939
    72
    Jul 12, 2006
    Los Angeles
    I've said this multiple times already ..

    You CAN use your home network for MRV, VOD, etc. You WILL NOT get any networking support from DIRECTV if you do.

    If you do use your own home network, then you are on your own in terms of "how it works" for you.
     
  4. BubblePuppy

    BubblePuppy Good night dear Smoke... love you & "got your butt

    5,285
    6
    Nov 3, 2006
    That is what I wrote.
     
  5. Doug Brott

    Doug Brott Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    28,939
    72
    Jul 12, 2006
    Los Angeles
    You also wrote: "The only way to avoid this will be to provide MRV only to those that use DirecTVs networking systems."

    Perhaps you meant: "The only way to avoid this will be to provide MRV support only to those that use DirecTVs networking systems."
     
  6. jacmyoung

    jacmyoung Hall Of Fame

    6,544
    0
    Sep 8, 2006
    You missed my point, we are talking about the existing subs. If I am a new sub, I wouldn't even know the difference, it will just be a matter of checking my service options on my service check list, MRV-$3/mo, check, done.

    For existing subs, if SWM upgrade is the only option to get MRV, it will be costly and slow.
     
  7. jacmyoung

    jacmyoung Hall Of Fame

    6,544
    0
    Sep 8, 2006
    VOD by DirecTV is a service to offer an alternative to cable VOD. A lot of the VOD content are free. MRV by DirecTV is also the answer to the MRV services provided by the comptetitors.

    I agree with you if the costs are nominal then it is a reasonable deal. I just have this fundamental issue with charging for a service but not supporting it.
     
  8. hdtvfan0001

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

    32,456
    258
    Jul 28, 2004
    Based on the cost of manufacturing in mass going forward, I suspect the "investment" would be small. Some folks have already "upgraded" when they added another HD DVR for free (the SWM8)....that seems pretty inexpensive and fast. ;)
     
  9. Doug Brott

    Doug Brott Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    28,939
    72
    Jul 12, 2006
    Los Angeles
    You are not alone .. A lot of people here have voiced this as "a principle" and will refuse to pay on that alone. I do not think the charge is going to be big. I was initially concerned as well, but after about a week of thinking about it I decided 2 things ..

    (1) Many, many people will pay for this. If I am DIRECTV, why wouldn't I charge a few dollars if so many people are willing to pay? I really can't fault them for doing what a good business does even if I don't like it.

    (2) The charge is going to be one, maybe 2 gallons of gas per month. I had a Sequoia (until recently) and that is about 20 miles for me. So I traded (in my mind) going 20 miles with getting MRV.

    So regardless of principle, it is what it is and you can live without and save the fee (it is optional) or you can pay the fee and get MRV. For me, there are certain things to get worked up about and MRV isn't one of them. I'm much more disappointed that ESPN-U is still not in HD although I'm hopeful that it will be in the next few months.
     
  10. Doug Brott

    Doug Brott Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    28,939
    72
    Jul 12, 2006
    Los Angeles
    Maybe .. I do think "the package" will be reasonable, but I have no doubt that some people here will find it too expensive.
     
  11. jacmyoung

    jacmyoung Hall Of Fame

    6,544
    0
    Sep 8, 2006
    Again the issue I have is not a nominal fee, rather no support after charging a fee. If you don't plan to provide support (which I can understand why), then don't charge a fee. My principle is not that a software feature should not cost a fee, although I think if you do charge a fee for a software feature, it will be a good idea to make that feature very rich, not something less than the ones provided by the others without a fee.

    My principle issue is not providing support after charging a fee for the service.
     
  12. Richierich

    Richierich Hall Of Fame

    8,489
    7
    Jan 10, 2008
    Peachtree...
    Or one less bottle of wine for me a month, Big Deal!!! I can live without the bottle of wine but choose not to live without MRV once I have used it. Worth every penney in my book.
     
  13. Doug Brott

    Doug Brott Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    28,939
    72
    Jul 12, 2006
    Los Angeles
    This is the way it will be .. Any "support" will be a suggestion that you have DECA installed. The fee will enable MRV. It's up to you whether or not you want to pay for it or not.
     
  14. jacmyoung

    jacmyoung Hall Of Fame

    6,544
    0
    Sep 8, 2006
    It will be a big deal if you found out this time your bottle of wine is tinted and you cannot drink that wine, you call the store or the winery, they tell you screw it you bought it you drink it or dump it, you don't have to buy it if you don't like what I tell you.

    Will you still buy that wine?
     
  15. jacmyoung

    jacmyoung Hall Of Fame

    6,544
    0
    Sep 8, 2006
    My contention is if this is the policy, it is a bad poilcy, DirecTV will get a lot of complaints because when people pay a monthly fee for a service, they rightfully expect some support if the service needs support, if you refuse support, it can be an issue. If you do not charge a fee, there is no obligation, you can then suggest the other option of obtaining a supported service.
     
  16. Richierich

    Richierich Hall Of Fame

    8,489
    7
    Jan 10, 2008
    Peachtree...
    No I wouldn't.

    However, I thought Directv would charge us a Minimal Fee all along and I never thought it would be Free so it doesn't bother me to pay $2.99 or whatever for the Service because I would pay alot more for it.

    I elected to install my Network and my 4 WGA600N Adapters and I never expected Directv to Maintain or Support my Network anymore than I expected them to Support my eSATA External Drive because I knew going in that they had said that they indeed would not Support them.

    So, it just boils down to whether I think $2.99 is worth it for me to Enable MRV and support the ongoing Software Maintenance and Future Enhancements. I definitely feel it is worth it and will gladly pay for it even if it means one less bottle of wine.

    You can Afford what you Want to Afford. A frugal friend of mine couldn't afford 2 or 3 things for his motorcycle so I bought them for him as a gift.

    Then one day I found out that he had bought a $4,600 Graphite Bicycle for getting himself into shape. Unbelievable. He said it would make him go Faster than if he bought a regular $1,800 Bicycle. I told him that if it were for exercise and he wanted to go Faster than he should PEDAL FASTER and that would ensure he would lose extra calories and weight and get in better shape.

    Nope, had to have the Expensive Bike to beat others he rode with so he had rationalized why he could spend a ton of money on a bike but he couldn't spend $30 a a Throttle Boss or whatever.

    The Power Of Rationalization!!! Have a couple of beers less each month and Enjoy MRV!!!
     
  17. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    42,754
    378
    Dec 9, 2006
    [Reality check]

    I, for one, don't like the idea of the charge.
    This doesn't seem to be much different than the Doupleplay software addition that didn't cost.

    Now for the "check":

    Let everyone express their idea/opinion.
    We don't need to have this thread become a back and forth between those that don't like it and those that feel it's fine.

    Post, state your opinion and leave it at that.
    No one will change my mind and I don't expect to change others.

    If DirecTV gets enough feedback they may or may not change their plans.

    [/end of reality check]
     
  18. GrumpyBear

    GrumpyBear Hall Of Fame

    3,236
    0
    Feb 1, 2006
    It will be interesting to see what they charge and how it plays out to the mass's, and how the fee gets marketed against them.

    Lots of people will look at what U-verse does, and the fact they don't charge(rather you can get U-verse or want U-Verse isn't the point, the mass's see these commercials), Dish is also coming out with MRV solution, pay for the hardware to make it work, (or hopefully upgrade to new DVR, and use your existing ones, but not the point at the moment) but its a tangable thing, you are actually purchasing something.

    Direct charging monthly, is a strange way to go. Here our competion has this technology, we have it too, but if you want it please pay for it monthly.

    I think Doubleplay is very different, as its a replacement for DLB, something Direct users had then lost.
     
  19. HoTat2

    HoTat2 Hall Of Fame

    8,022
    308
    Nov 16, 2005
    Los...
    Me personally, I just wish I knew more about this upgrade offer from DirecTV for MRV networking once beta testing is complete.

    My PowerLine adapters are next to useless for MRV here, and I definitely need DECA. But I have a legacy multiswitch setup here feeding a HR21-200 and HR22-100 and four legacy SD-DVRs.

    So do I run out and purchase a SWM-8 module, splitters, connectors, etc. off e-bay or something and install it myself to prepare for DECA or wait to see if DirecTV is going to offer a less expensive upgrade path?
     
  20. Richierich

    Richierich Hall Of Fame

    8,489
    7
    Jan 10, 2008
    Peachtree...
    WAIT!!!
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

spam firewall

Advertisements