DBSTalk's exclusive interview with Charlie Ergen

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  1. david_jr

    david_jr Godfather

    Dec 10, 2006

    I don't follow your logic. It seems that it is more of an issue of who I can purchase my programming from, not steal it from. The issue is that if: A) I cannot obtain a clear signal OTA, B) I have no cable service where I live, C) I should be able to purchase my programming from whoever offers me what I want at a price and quality that I am willing to pay for. To be called a thief because I want to purchase my programming from a quality source because my property does not sit where I can recieve quality programming otherwise is harsh. The government arbitrarily determines the grade of service we recieve by distance and does not take into consideration real world obstacles to reception like mountains. I don't think anyone here is advocating stealing programming, but rather purchasing the same programming from other sources. The local broadcasters act as though we belong to them.
  2. La Push Commercial Codman

    La Push Commercial Codman Banned User

    Jan 4, 2007
    A press release was a shot in a arm. If broadcasters think for one second, I am not allowed to put a freeze on live T.V. for one hour and watch commercial free programing, It no wonder David K Rehr ask the federal government to investigate video on demand service and account for 15 to 20 million dvr owners to enjoy there Law and Order movie for 42 minutes and go on. I like my DVR. But for one second what I see from National Association of Broadcasters is doing, give David K. Rehr, and ther A.C.L.U. GOD FOR SAKEN LAWYERS SOMETHING ELSE TO SCREW WITH. They want to screw with satellite radio, which they might do.. xm and sirius have been fine. Friday interview was interresting.

    N.A.B. PRESIDENT and C.E.O. David K. Rehr talks to FMQB about the push to make 260 million U.S. radio listeners aware of the HD radio rollout and his goal of rebranding terrestrial radio as "Real Radio" or "Local Radio". Of the association future polictal activities, Rehr said, " over this next year, You'll see the brand and visibility of N.A.B. Hill presence significantly increase above the levels that it has been in prior years.. David K. Rehr a man with his head up his rear end, I geuss.
    He believes in localism. Senater Diane Feinstein support's legislation on satellite radio and DVR-VIDEO ON DEMAND, Something I wished David K. Rehr didn't up, give Neilson rating numbers for N.A.B. to use..
  3. Tower Guy

    Tower Guy Godfather

    Jul 27, 2005
    You are following the logic perfectly, you just are not accepting the conclusion.

    You are able to receive the programming from Dish network, but in SD only. Dish has the legal right to deliver that same programming in HD. Dish network has decided not to offer the HD signals from Albany to you. Perhaps it is an economic decision for Dish. I'm sure that the TV stations would like to have you watch them in HD. You certainly want it. It's just that Dish has decided not to deliver it to you.

    Why should the government get in the middle of that discussion?
  4. david_jr

    david_jr Godfather

    Dec 10, 2006
    Isn't it the government that decides what stations I belong to and what grade of reception I get? After all the government decided that Berkshire County, MA belongs to Albany, NY DMA, yes? The same government decided that I belong to Boston for sports. So even though I live in an area with an equal amount of NY & Boston sports fans I get Boston sports and no NY sports channels. Conversley people who live in Connecticut are able to receive Boston and NY sports channels. Correct me if I am wrong but this is all decided by the government. The government has assigned me to Albany for network programming, but really I understand that they have only assigned me to the Albany for the local advertisements because the programming is exactly the same no matter where the feed comes from and it is only the ads that are local along with a few hours of news a day.

    To your point that DISH network has the legal right to sell me HDTV from Albany, but does not: I assume that DISH had to make decisions as to transponder capacity and so forth and is unable to provide local HDTV into the 55th largest market in the country at a price that they feel enough customers would pay. They do offer HDTV in a few large markets and people lucky enough to live there can get them. Cable won't even come through here so I can't really blame DISH. So I guess that if DISH won't carry it and I can't get it OTA, too bad for me and others like me. I certainly don't mean this to be offensive, but I feel the rules don't benefit everyone.
  5. Greg Bimson

    Greg Bimson Hall Of Fame

    May 5, 2003
    The government has decided to authorize channels based upon the Nielsen Media Designated Market Area maps. Therefore, the government allows Berkshire County, Massachusetts, to receive local channels from the Albany market.

    The government did not decide you belong to Boston for sports. A team's coverage area would be an issued resolved by the leagues, not by the government.
    No, the government has made an exception to copyright law. You cannot get locals from New York City because the networks have made it so their affiliates cannot resell programming. The government allowed for in-market retransmissions, provided the stations can come to an agreement with the satellite companies.
  6. Tower Guy

    Tower Guy Godfather

    Jul 27, 2005
    Even if that assumption is correct, it's E* that makes the decision to carry a specific DMA. E* has stated publically that they intend to do all markets in HD. Therefore, I assume that E* is delaying the process for their own reasons, and that decision is bothering their customers.
  7. hazydave

    hazydave Cool Member

    Jan 7, 2006
    Actually, much of it's decided by agreement between the networks and their local affiliates. There are some rules overseen by the FCC, but it's a matter of contract: if ABC licenses its content to an affiliate designated to cover you, basically, they're your service provider, and anyone else providing that service would technically be in violation of that exclusive contract. Naturally, this has nothing to do really with you, and like most deals between companies, the individuals on the fringe probably get hosed. Same reason I'm paying $80/month for an internet connection that's typically only slightly faster than dialup. But I digress.

    I'm a good example of this, and also why it's not strictly a government issue. I live in South Jersey, a part of the country OTA signals would pretty much like to avoid. Given my ChannelMaster roof antenna and 35dB amplifier, I can actually pull in digital TV from Philadelphia. Or Wilmington. Or even Atlantic City. But based on my location, I'm in the Philadelphia area... I guess, being a larger city, they get more turf, I dunno.

    Anyway, this is actually a good thing... not as good as being judged in no-man's land, but good enough. See, the CBS affiliate in Philly is owned and operated by CBS itself. Because of this, they had no problemo allowing me the special privilege of watching the CBS HD feed from New York, via Echo*. Particularly good in the years when they carried practically no other HD channels... and also, Philly's big enough to rate an HD locals package now.

    The FCC is caught up in a lot of things, regulating what you get, etc. In other ways, probably not enough... the only reason they ran phone lines to rural areas, back ages ago, was the deal between Uncle Sam and AT&T that allowed to be a monopoly, but included a few issues like having to run a phone out to anyone who asked. Today, you probably live in an area that offers 2 or 3 forms of real broadband/TV etc.

    Thing is, the company broadcasting from Albany, carrying network programming, etc. is very likely not the same company you'd find available on Dish (unless, of course, they carried the Albany locals). Basically, the nets sold their rights to that content in that specific area... they'd be in violation of that contract if they were permitted to offer the same content via a different means. Sucks for you, no doubt, but even if it's the government enforcing it (well, that is their job), they didn't create the situation itself. If, say, the ABC station in Albany was owned by ABC, then ABC would still have the rights to that content and you could get it via satellite, like my CBS feed from NYC.
  8. Rockets

    Rockets New Member

    Jan 13, 2007
    It's an easy fix. You must buy your local market first, then you can purchase as many or a fixed amount (maybe 5) one for each time zone. This allows you flexibility with your DVR. Oops! I forgot, this is about advertising monies.
  9. garn9173

    garn9173 Icon

    Apr 4, 2005
    Ankeny, IA...
    Ever heard of a weather radio? It goes off every time a watch or warning is issued for your location.
  10. psnarula

    psnarula Godfather

    Aug 12, 2005
    no, no, no. you've got it all wrong. this has never been about money. according to nab spokesperson dennis wharton, it's about strengthening "broadcasting's rich tradition of localism".
  11. gully_foyle

    gully_foyle Hall Of Fame

    Jan 18, 2007
    Los Angeles
    What rot! This isn't about me stealing their signal. It's about me choosing to watch another signal, when they want me to watch theirs. In particular, it's about poorly operated stations wanting to bar better-operated stations from competing in their market.

    Example: Let's take station NY and station LOCAL. Assume that both are franchises of the same network. Station NY has, to me, much more interesting local content. I'd gladly pay a small fee to get it. Station LOCAL is supposed to be local to me, but has such a poor transmitter that I can rarely get it. Their HD works for maybe 6 blocks. Most of the time, when they aren't showing the network feed, they're running infomercials. Utter crap.

    Now, if I get station NYC, is NYC being hurt by extra eyeballs watching their channel? Unlikely, as they spend quite a bit in their home market encouraging more people to watch. How am I "stealing" something they want go give to as many people as possible?

    Yet, I am forced by a government that, being beholden to free political coverage during elections from NAB members, to submit to the ownership of me by station LOCAL. Yes, LOCAL might be hurt by my actions, but they ought to be. To say that I'm stealing from them would be like calling it stealing every time I turn my TV off.

    Another Example: Let's assume that all stations are equally interesting, but I just want to get news of Boston, where I grew up, rather than Atlanta, where I live. Assuming that there are equal numbers of people making swaps like this, no one at all is being harmed. Or everyone is being helped/harmed equally. ONLY when government tells people that they must watch stations in market X alone is anyone being harmed. And actually everyone is being harmed, including the TV stations because now my only choice is to turn the TV off, reducing viewership.

    Why do lawyers keep on trying to turn positive-sum games into zero-sum ones?
  12. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Gold Club DBSTalk Club

    Apr 17, 2003
    Each station on the network, including the NYC station, has signed a contract involving all other stations on the network giving each local station certain rights. These rights are NOT imposed by the government in any way, shape or form. These are voluntary contracts signed by the stations.

    One of those certain rights is that the local station has exclusive rights to the network content within a defined area. Generally speaking that is their television market or the reach of their OTA signal. Where two network stations overlap in coverage they share the rights. These rights, once again, are a feature of the provate contract negotiated between the stations and the network.

    Don't blame the government. If you want this changed get the privately owned networks and affiliates to change their contracts.
  13. Tower Guy

    Tower Guy Godfather

    Jul 27, 2005
    Becaue you choose to refuse to accept reality.
  14. oldave

    oldave Legend

    Dec 22, 2003
    I "harmed" WMAZ tonight... but I did it legally... we watched the Superbowl in its entirety on WRBL-DT from Columbus. Now, we're not a Neilsen family, so the simple fact is, it will not affect WMAZ's ratings in any way.

    Of course, I didn't view WRBL via satellite... I did it over the air.

    Which just points out that digital TV is going to have to implement the "local market" flag.
  15. Tower Guy

    Tower Guy Godfather

    Jul 27, 2005
    It's only illegal when you pay someone else to receive it for you.
  16. geoff

    geoff AllStar

    Jan 3, 2004
    Let's ignore local news for a minute and assume it's all about local advertising, which in reality, it is....

    with our DVR's and and VOD technology, if an advertiser wants to run a local ad to the dish E* and D* viewers in a geographic area, dish and direct can preload the commercials onto the hard drive, and when the network flag fires for local commercial insertion, my DVR box inserts the local advertising....How much bandwith would that save for Dish or Direct to only have to carry 2 or 3 feeds (different time zones)of each of the the national networks, instead of having the same programming broadcasts at different qualitys to every DMA out there.

    I would like to think that Major networks would like to control the quality of signal dish rebroadcasts instead of relying on their local affiliate not to screw it up from when they receive it, process it, but there stupid call letters and logo on top of it and send crap to dish to rebroadcast. (local affiliate logos can even be inserted..see below)

    As far as local news, if the local new people could start their news promgram 5-10 minutes early and time shift it for local broadcast, that same broadcast could be streamed to peoples DVRs and inserted at the correct time as well based upon the network flags as well.

    we already know dish has the ability to pop stuff up on your screen telling you to pay your bill, plug your phone line in, etc that same technology can be used to pop up weather alerts to recievers located in in certain zip codes or special news breaks can be delivered the same way.

    I live in north Atlanta, and we have a HUGE DMA, do I care about the severe thunderstorm 120 miles to the south that is preventing me from watching my favorite episode of Lost just because I'm served by the same TV station. With all these alerts targeted specifically for the zip codes that it effects, it's better for everyone.

    I know that ALL of the above would require a major paradigm shift in the thought process of the entire industry, but I think it makes sense. this way local alerts/advertising/etc could be sent to people who can not receive ANY off air signals.

    ...just my 2 cents...
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