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Discussion in 'The OT' started by Bogy, Dec 1, 2004.
So, in other words, you guys do support the "liberal" networks in discriminating against our ad.
Ohhhhh... I get it, it was tested by a group of like-minded individuals. That explains it. I know I'm not in the tatget audience, and that is probably what was tested. No wonder. Again, the intent of the commercial and the intended audience has little to do with the reation you are seeing here. Broad-based testing will reveal the problems with the ad. Once again, sell your service by stating your goals. Negative ads (which this is) alienate everyone else!
What does this have to do with the price of eggs in Tibet?
Anyone is welcom into the Church I go to. Anyone can worship any way they want in the church I go to as long as it is not disruptive to others. But to BELONG to the church (the institution, not the building) you have to conform to the church teachings. Be it Unitarian, Catholic, Babtist, Methodist, Mormon, Jewish, Moslum or whatever. Unless you can show me a Unitarian preacher who is into satanism, it's hard to believe that ANY church (institution, not building) is not exclusionary.
Baloney, Sam! First a lot of what the ad says is true. Gays are not welcome in many churches, and there are still some churches who make it known that some minorities are unwelcome.
Yes, the ad hits hard at churches who don't welcome worshipers and makes the point that Jesus would not be so exclusive.
The problem is the ad seems to indicate that the churches that do not welcome worshipers is the norm, and that they are different. Just as if someone where to insinuate that the child-molesting homosexuals are the norm. It's just not true, it's inflamatory and it's not what Jesus would do.
The ad could have presented a positive message that this church is open to all without using the bouncers turning people away. I don't personally like the ad because this church seems to be saying that my church discriminates and is better than mine, which is not true. However, the networks should take this church's money and run the ad. Any fallout from the spot would harm the church, not the networks.
I have viewed the ad many times, and read each post here about the ad. I feel that the networks should run this ad, it is telling and showing truth.
Many churches today still make people feel un-welcome. I have seen with my own eyes a person in a wheel chair turned away from a major southern baptist church in the city I live in. I have seen ads run in newspapers making the point very clear that if you are gay you are not wanted, welcomed, and in most they leave as if God would not want you. In my city, black and white are not often seen in the same church. The fact is UCC, and I am not a UCC member, is showing the truth as it really is.
Now I know, many a Christian is going to be upset with this ad, they are going to be offended, and you should be. But not with the UCC, but with yourself. As a man who has studied to be a minister, I can tell you that Jesus Christ did NOT cast judgment, did NOT turn any one away, and would NOT turn any one away today.
Christian open your eyes, your minds, and mostly your hearts. You can go into any church building, but that is all that it is, is a building. To be truly a part of the Church is to accept the teaching of Jesus Christ, and his great commandment "To Love One Another"
UCC you have my support.
i support your ad not the others wwho telll you to love everyone but n ot jews blacks queers
i do nopt think the ad showed them asking memebers just walkups
So, in other words, you guys do support the "liberal" networks in discriminating against our ad.
Actually not. I see no reason why one shouldn't run the ad.
If an ad being thought to be "insulting" was reason to block it, that would clean up most of the political campaign ads from last year.
The ad's goals are honorable. The unintended insult to others is what makes it a poor ad.
Think "paper towel" commercials. When they show the paper towel product that doesn't do as good a job, yes it promotes the one product... but it also slams all the others.
I have seen with my own eyes a person in a wheel chair turned away from a major southern baptist church in the city I live in.
I've seen churches without the funds to make their sanctuaries handicaped accessible. I've been to one such church where the minister's own wife had MS and was in a wheelchair but we had no ramps.
This doesn't mean she wasn't welcome, as we were working to fix the problem... but installing elevators in 100 year old buildings isn't something that can always be easily done.
What he said!
Hey, I left the Catholic Church on my own - but if, for some reason, I wanted to stay, I would not be welcome there. I'm remarried and, therefore, "living in sin" and "an adulterer".
But you have no problem bashing anyone who doesn't have the same interpretation of the bible as you. You seem to think YOUR interpretation has the monopoly on being the "correct" one. I find that offensive.
So anyone who doesn't believe as you has "no standards" and is automatically wrong?
But you've done the same to them and anyone else who doesn't believe as you.
I agree with this statement. The main problem with the ad in my opinion is showing a Christian church with the cross in the background and bouncers at the door. The idea is to show that many Christian churches do not welcome others who do not conform to their beliefs. Then, at the end, the UCC church congregation is shown in a big group photo saying that everyone is welcome.
However, everyone is not welcome at the UCC as far as beliefs go. You may allow the Muslim in the door, but you will preach your beliefs to them and try to talk them into accepting Jesus. You will not let them join the church and continue to follow Allah.
Christian churches who believe that homosexuality (for example) is a sin will allow homosexuals in the door (the majority at least, I'm sure there are those that don't ), but these churches will try to teach them that it is a sin and that a relationship with Christ can change them. They can't hold hands and pursue their lifestyle and be part of the church membership at the same time.
The ad is full of hypocrisy. Either everyone is accepted as is with no need to change any of their beliefs or they are not (thus eventually held up outside the velvet ropes). Which is it?
But you see, it is. Many denominations differ by different organizational structure, different ways of celebrating worship, ... but agree with basic teachings from the Bible. The United Church of Christ, and some others have been hyjacked at the national level by liberal theologans who want to throw out basic teaching in the Bible. The Bible actually said this would happen and warns believers about false teaching. False teaching was to be confronted - now and 2000 years ago. So yes HGL, people who disregard the Bible standards are wrong. To Christians - the Bible is the standard, the handbook of life. The United Church of Christ (and some other denominations) seek to be more like the world to be "inclusive". Jesus said we are to be salt - and salt hurts on an open wound. but it also shows why we need a cure for the wound. Orthodox Christianity does not turn anyone away. But we do tell them what the Bible says. Its not mercy to pat someone on the back and tell them their way is fine as they walk blindfolded to the edge of a clift.
Churches like the United Church of Christ have created a backlash from their own membership by endorsing this liberal theology. We all know the opinions of the rev Bogy - but I have heard from other UCC ministers who are repulsed by national leadership's position.
Actually, over the past year it has been shown in six test markets, primarily in red states. There were no complaints registered.
Perhaps it is people like you who are guilty of the "false teaching". Have you ever considered that? The majority of the church has not always been correct, as history proves numerous times. Why should I or anyone else believe you now?
You claim offense but have no qualm being offensive yourself. Pot, meet kettle.
This whole thing only makes me laugh, though, at the sheer rediculousness that is religion as a whole.
"Jesus said we are to be salt"?
Ok, when I read the Bible cover to cover many years ago, I obviously didn't commit it all to memory - but could you give me a context for that - otherwise is sounds like Jesus is telling us all to make sure crops don't grow anywhere we set foot!
Ah yes, the hypocrisy. The hypocrisy of judging the ad to be an attack on other specific churches, and then responding by attacking and bashing the United Church of Christ. :lol:
No church that I am aware of has burly bouncers guarding the door, with a velvet rope. It's an allegory guys. In most churches the "bouncers" are little old ladies with loud whispers and glaring eyes. :lol: But many people do not feel welcome in certain churches. Richard King no longer felt comfortable in his Episcopalian Church. So he left. No bouncers threw him out, but he no longer felt at home.
How accepting would your church be of my daughters if they came to your church wanting to join? They are 21 and 25. They are pro-choice and support gay rights. They believe the world was created hundreds of millions of years ago, and that we are the result of evolution. They believe the Bible was inspired by God, but is not God's personal diary. They are against the war in Iraq and for increased government spending for the poor, not to mention taxing the rich. They believe other faiths have value, but have chosen to be Christians, and believe in the love of Jesus Christ. Would you accept them?
There are a lot of others like them in this country. Just like Richard no longer felt welcome in a church that had become more liberal, as have a number of former UCC members who have left, but there are others who no longer feel welcome in churches that have become more conservative and fundamentalist. This is the "market" our ad is directed toward. Your churches don't want these people, we do. So what's your problem?