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Did DirecTV just shut down the old program guide?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by LynnW, Mar 20, 2013.

  1. Apr 6, 2013 #81 of 103
    Floyd

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    Here's the list of legacy MPG receivers that are supposed to be replaced:

    MAKE-MODEL

    OPTIMUS 5100
    OPTIMUS 5700
    OPTIMUS 5100N
    HITACHI 61HDX98B
    DSTV 7500U
    GENERIC1 99-X998
    GENERIC2 99-X999
    HNS BAHNS01
    HNS BAHNS01-IR
    HNS BAHNS02
    MAGNAVOX DBS500
    MAGNAVOX DBS600
    RCA DC4030RB
    RCA DCD001RW
    RCA DCD302RA
    RCA DCD405RE
    RCA DRD102RW
    NO NAME PLTE DRD112NW
    RCA DRD112NW
    SWBT DRD112NW
    GE DRD122GW
    RCA DRD202RA
    RCA DRD203RW
    RCA DRD205RD
    NO NAME PLTE DRD212NW
    SWBT DRD212NW
    NO NAME PLTE DRD213NW
    RCA DRD221RD
    RCA DRD222D
    RCA DRD222RD
    RCA DRD223RD
    RCA DRD225RD
    RCA DRD302RA
    RCA DRD303RA
    RCA DRD403RA
    RCA DRD420RE
    RCA DRD440RE
    RCA DRD451RG
    RCA DRD460RE
    RCA DRD480RE
    RCA DRD502RB
    RCA DRD503RB
    RCA DRD503RBC
    RCA DRD505RB
    RCA DRD515RB
    RCA DRD523MCDC
    RCA DRD523RB
    RCA DRD703RA
    RCA DRD705RB
    RCA DS2320RA
    RCA DS3330RA
    RCA DS4430RA
    RCA DS5230RB
    RCA DS5450RB
    RCA DS5451RB
    DSTV DSTV-5700U
    PHILIPS DSX5150R
    PHILIPS DSX5250I
    PHILIPS DSX5250R
    PHILIPS DSX5350R
    PHILIPS DSX5353C
    PHILIPS DSX5353E
    PHILIPS DSX5353R
    PHILIPS DSX5353X
    PHILIPS DSX5375R
    RCA DTC-100
    TOSHIBA DW65X91
    RCA F38310
    HNS GAEB0
    HNS GCEB0
    GE GRD33G2A
    GE GRD33G3A
    RCA HD65W20
    HITACHI HDS100R
    HITACHI HDS200R
    HITACHI HDS210R
    HITACHI HDS220R
    HNS HIRD-43
    HNS HIRD-A2
    HNS HIRD-A3
    HNS HIRD-A4
    HNS HIRD-B1
    HNS HIRD-B2
    HNS HIRD-B23
    HNS HIRD-B3
    HNS HIRD-B4
    HNS HIRD-C2
    HNS HIRD-D0
    HNS HIRD-D1
    HNS HIRD-D2
    HNS HIRD-D4
    HNS HIRD-D5
    HNS HIRD-E1
    HNS HIRD-E2
    HNS HIRD-E4
    HNS HIRD-E6
    HNS HSYS-2331
    HNS HSYS-B2332
    HNS HSYS-C2262
    HNS HSYS-C2264
    RCA L50000
    MEMOREX MSD5000
    MEMOREX MSD5001R-H
    NO NAME PLTE NRD215ND
    RCA NRD3131NA
    NO NAME PLTE NRD313NA
    RCA NRD313NA
    NO NAME PLTE NRD323ND
    RCA NRD412
    NO NAME PLTE NRD412NA
    NO NAME PLTE NRD415NE
    RCA NRD513NB
    RCA NS4221
    RCA P61300
    RCA P61310
    PROSCAN PRD8630A
    PROSCAN PRD8650B
    PROSCAN PS34000
    PROSCAN PS38000
    PROSCAN PS61000
    PROSCAN PS65000
    PROSCAN PSHD105
    SONY SAS-AD2
    SONY SAS-AD3
    SONY SAS-BD2
    SONY SAS-BS2
    SONY SAT-A1
    SONY SAT-A2
    SONY SAT-A3
    SONY SAT-A4
    SONY SAT-A50
    SONY SAT-A55
    SONY SAT-A65
    SONY SAT-B1
    SONY SAT-B2
    SONY SAT-B3
    SONY SAT-B4
    SONY SAT-B50
    SONY SAT-B50/2
    SONY SAT-B55
    SONY SAT-B65
    SONY SAT-HD100
    SAMSUNG SIR-S60W
    MITSUBISHI SR-SD1
    TOSHIBA TSR-101
    TOSHIBA TSR-202
    PANASONIC TU-IRD10
    PANASONIC TU-IRD20
    PANASONIC TZ-DBS01
    PANASONIC TZ-DRD100
    UNIDEN UDS100
    UNIDEN UDS200
    UNIDEN UDS200SYS
    MAGNAVOX UNKNOWN
    MEMOREX UNKNOWN
    OPTIMUS UNKNOWN
    SWBT UNKNOWN
    UNIDEN UNKNOWN
    HITACHI VW00321
     
  2. Apr 6, 2013 #82 of 103
    P Smith

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    Nice list, especially in the part:
    MAGNAVOX UNKNOWN
    MEMOREX UNKNOWN
    OPTIMUS UNKNOWN
    SWBT UNKNOWN
    UNIDEN UNKNOWN

    :D
     
  3. Apr 10, 2013 #83 of 103
    wcalifas254

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    I finally got the e mail from Directv about my legacy receiver needing to get replaced. I called the number and finally will retire my old RCA that just worked well over the years.
     
  4. May 6, 2013 #84 of 103
    Satelliteracer

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    LOL

    They are known.
     
  5. May 7, 2013 #85 of 103
    ThomasM

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    My old Hughes is still chugging along and to date NO email, phone call, letter, NOTHING from DirecTV. Big surprise. I'm sure one day in the future it will suddenly stop working.
     
  6. May 7, 2013 #86 of 103
    LynnW

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    Go to channel 341 and see if you get a message.
     
  7. May 8, 2013 #87 of 103
    wcalifas254

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    I got my RCA replaced, what model of Hughes receiver do you still have?
     
  8. May 8, 2013 #88 of 103
    ThomasM

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    I did get the message. Are customers supposed to somehow see this channel in the guide and tune to it?

    In any event, (as expected) I called in and requested the "MPG swap" and the CSR was confused. First, I was told there would be a new one year commitment. Then I pressed for more info and after "conferring with a supervisor" was told no, everything was free and no commitment. We'll see!! Don't you think their CSR's would be TRAINED on this and how it works?

    I'm betting they try to stick me with a new one year commitment or worse a CHARGE for a replacement receiver!!
     
  9. May 8, 2013 #89 of 103
    studechip

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    Satelliteracer, why didn't Directv take this opportunity to replace these receivers with mpeg4 equipment? They wouldn't have to be enabled for hd nor charged to the customer to get them. I think the same for new installs even if sd. Use mpeg4 boxes. This should have been started years ago. If they had, there would be many fewer mpeg2 boxes out there. Eventually those on mpeg2 would be transitioned and it would free up a lot of bandwidth for more channels or better video quality. There can't be much if any difference in the cost per box from mpeg2 to mpeg4.
     
  10. May 8, 2013 #90 of 103
    slice1900

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    I don't know why they didn't make the D12 MPEG4 capable. The only reason I can think of is they figure when they eventually transition off MPEG2 there won't be too many SD sets left, so they plan on dumping the SD duplicates of HD channels at the same time. That would free up twice the bandwidth of simply converting the SD duplicates to MPEG4.

    As existing customers take advantage of offers to upgrade to Genie + clients they'll have more and more surplus HD receivers, which they can use to upgrade SD receivers to HD. Once they figure they have enough to convert the rest they could announce the transition. They'd have to provide SD only subscribers with a new dish also, but the benefits would outweigh the cost.

    I'd assume as the date they want to do this gets closer they'll step up whatever offers they typically make to SD only subscribers to get them to voluntarily upgrade, but at some point they'll have to force it like they have done with the old program guide.

    It'll probably take a while to do. By the time they finish, they'll probably be broadcasting some stuff with HEVC and the clock will begin ticking for MPEG4 equipment :)
     
  11. May 9, 2013 #91 of 103
    HoTat2

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    An interesting speculation;

    Except I can find no reason for the D12 or any other SD receiver to be Ku band/MPEG-2/4 capable since there are no MPEG-4 compressed programs using the Ku band save for two Spanish HD ones on 119.

    And if you make the D12 or other SD ones Ka band capable then you may as well have built an HD receiver which can receive both SD and HD MPEG-2/4 to begin with.
     
  12. May 9, 2013 #92 of 103
    slice1900

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    ??? The band Directv satellites broadcast programming on has nothing to do with the type of compression scheme being used. The satellites just broadcast bits, whether those bits make up MPEG2 compressed video, MPEG4, or some new scheme that hasn't yet been invented has nothing to do with what frequency or what satellite your dish receives them from.

    Aren't there some SD only locals compressed with MPEG4? I thought I had read that somewhere. Regardless of what they are doing today, if they had made the D12 receiver capable of decoding MPEG4 they'd have the option of migrating more and more SD channels to MPEG4 compression to free up bandwidth. Those affected would have their SD receivers upgraded to D12. Over time they could migrate all SD content to MPEG4, which would free up considerable bandwidth.

    I was just suggesting that since Directv didn't take this very obvious path open to them, they must not be planning to take the intermediate step of replacing MPEG2 SD with MPEG4 SD, but their next transition will instead dump SD entirely (except for those channels they don't carry in HD)

    As long as they still make new D12s, the transition is years away.
     
  13. May 9, 2013 #93 of 103
    HoTat2

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    Yes, but all on Ka band as are some MPEG-4 SD nationals.

    .But what would such clearing spectrum on the SD Ku band be used for though?

    Creating space for more SD channels? Who wants that with all the impetus on HD nowadays? ;)
     
  14. May 9, 2013 #94 of 103
    P Smith

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    Take a look at 95W - there are many DTV LA [A3] transponders [AMC and H.264] and the sat is Ku. So, Ku sats could be converted.
     
  15. May 9, 2013 #95 of 103
    HoTat2

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    Oh sure P Smith, I realize just like with the two Spanish HD channels on 119 Ku, it could be done.

    But with D14 and 15 on the near horizon, there will be more than enough future Ka band capacity for HD. So why bother with trying to clear space to cram HD signals into the narrow 24 MHz wide transponders of the old Ku birds?
     
  16. May 9, 2013 #96 of 103
    P Smith

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    Money. More bits in same pipe, more programs, more providers, more fee ...
     
  17. May 9, 2013 #97 of 103
    slice1900

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    I guess if they've got two new satellites going up, those should cover the demand for more bandwidth, but there are plenty of potential uses for that bandwidth. More HD bandwidth/quality on existing channels, convert remaining SD only channels to HD where possible, have everyone's locals available in HD, more international content and/or be able to eliminate the 110/119/95 satellites, add all the channels in fall/winter from everyone and their brother following BTN's lead, upgrade 720p/1080i content to 1080p60 where available, offer 4K content where available.

    OK, the latter is silly, since someone with 20/20 vision needs to sit closer than 15' to a 100" TV to tell any difference (and closer than 7' to get the full benefit of 4K) but there will be 4K sets sold, and people will want 4K content to display on it. There is always a market for people with more money than sense, and I guess in this case also those who had very successful outcomes from Lasik surgery :)

    I suppose give the new satellites they'll probably keep the current SD broadcasts until the 101 satellite reaches EOL. Does anyone know what orbital position these new satellites will be taking? Will they go to 99/103 like the existing HD sats, or is one of them going to 101? I assume they won't put them in a new position or at 110/119, or a lot of people will need new LNBs.
     
  18. May 9, 2013 #98 of 103
    studechip

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    D14 is supposed to go to 99 IIRC. I don't know about D15.
     
  19. May 9, 2013 #99 of 103
    HoTat2

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    Hard to predict the future this way but 110 is serving a very important role for Puerto Rico at present. What upgrades DIRECTV plans for the current 720p/1080i HD standard are sure to take place on Ka band. 119 is likely slated for eventual movement to MPEG-4/Ka band as well though behind 101, and international programming at 95w ("World Direct" service.) was mentioned as possibly headed for the Reverse DBS band.

    True, though however a waste it is DIRECTV has stated that 4K Ultra-HDTV is destined for the freed up Ku band spectrum, but its unclear if that's for the current crop of Ku band satellites which would be well approaching EOL at that point or new ones.

    .D14 (actually D14/RB-1), is destined for 99w likely to make a "99ca." D15 intended future location is unknown as no FCC "Launch and Operate Authority" (LOA) application has been submitted for it yet.
     
  20. Satelliteracer

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    Still hitting certain parts of the country. I would be surprised if you are not contacted by end of June at the latest.
     

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