Direct TV cant fix Losing Signal linking 2-SWiM 16

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Installation/MDU Discussion' started by Jorge J., Dec 10, 2016.

  1. Dec 18, 2016 #61 of 108
    slice1900

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    You realize Dish uses different frequencies for their MoCA network, right? Directv's splitters are designed specifically to minimize loss only in the frequency range used by Directv's DECA, so using Directv's splitters on a Dish install seems like a really bad idea.
     
  2. Dec 18, 2016 #62 of 108
    peds48

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    Anyone who posts this can't be taken seriously. Neither the advice they provide.

    one of the reasons DIRECTV when to splitters instead of switches to parallel switches was mainly cost, and the fact that you can only do 2 switches with a 6x8. When the 6x16 was available you could do 4 switches for a total of 64 tuners. All of this was DIRECTV approved.




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  3. Dec 18, 2016 #63 of 108
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    So you agree that your method is outdated, thats what i thought. Keep giving advice from 10 years ago, whatever.
     
  4. Dec 18, 2016 #64 of 108
    peds48

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    Outdated doesn't necessarily means it doesn't work, unlike your method that may be dated but is sketchy at best....

    I've done many MDUs and none of them involve using splitters for the backbone.


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  5. Dec 18, 2016 #65 of 108
    Jodean

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    Ummm.....thats what directv has in the d2 boxes....lol your losing the battle here!
     
  6. Dec 18, 2016 #66 of 108
    peds48

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    Those are not the MDUs I am referring to! Lol..those are for the rigged MDUs that any regular tech can do, it comes pre made! I am referring to full blown 60 stories MDUs in NYC.... 500+ apartments.


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  7. Dec 18, 2016 #67 of 108
    peds48

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    If all you know about MDUs are the D2 enclosures, that is all I need to know about you as a tech. Lol....


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  8. Dec 18, 2016 #68 of 108
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    Can you provide some info about these optimized splitters that were around years before the moca network and genie? I have a hard time believing they optimized the splitters for something that didnt exist....... unless i missed a bulletin where the old green swm splitters are to be replaced with the "new" green swm spliters?
     
  9. Dec 18, 2016 #69 of 108
    peds48

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    You are embarrassing yourself but asking these kind of questions.....


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  10. Dec 18, 2016 #70 of 108
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    I know about both, and do not like the design of the d2 box with 8 power inserters hooked up to it. More convenient and less problems by having a power outlet at the switches, even if ones needs to be added at the location.

    I have had 29v PI not have enough power for the switches on long RG11 runs as well. Better to have power at the switch.
     
  11. Dec 18, 2016 #71 of 108
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    Im not embarresed at all, and will continue to use Directv splitters for the hopper 3
     
  12. Dec 18, 2016 #72 of 108
    peds48

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    It doesn't look like it if your first thought of an MDU set up is a D2 Box. Matter of fact, I never think of the D2 box as an MDU set up. MDUs set up are not limited and can be grown at any time with one dish, not like the D2 that is limited to 2 SMW16s.
     
  13. Dec 18, 2016 #73 of 108
    peds48

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    Well, this is not DIRECTV's fault. You can't fight physics. a better system design would be called for. Or a better tech that can design a better system.... Lol
     
  14. Dec 18, 2016 #74 of 108
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    OK guys time to take a break on your own or not.
     
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    peds48

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    I see the gave you back your super powers now.


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  16. Dec 24, 2016 #76 of 108
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    Thats not really true, once a D2 box is full, they have you install another one. But ya each one only has 2 swm 16
     
  17. Dec 24, 2016 #77 of 108
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    As I said before in another thread though, ...

    While I personally like the internal hookup arrangement idea inside the D2 lite's enclosure so a PI can be supplied to every MDU living unit to prevent loss of power and thus service to any of the other units if one or more PIs should go bad or be disconnected for some reason in any of the units.

    But that being said, I still don't see much good to have only 8 tuners max. support for every two units what with the Genie being regularly installed as the standard nowadays.




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  18. Dec 24, 2016 #78 of 108
    peds48

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    Nailed it. This is DIRECTV solution to sell landlords the idea of a single dish solution when in reality this is anything but that.


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  19. Dec 24, 2016 #79 of 108
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    Just because it allows connecting to units per 8 tuner leg doesn't mean you HAVE to. But it makes sense to have that option in cases where not everyone has a Genie. When the Digital SWM 30 comes out I have to think the D2 Lite enclosure will be updated to support it, but then the HS17 will probably grab 15 tuners on a leg and you're back where you started from in a few years when most people have it :)

    Seems like they could make the D2 Lite more expandable if they really wanted to, but at some point they'd rather have you do a proper MDU solution. Just seems like that point ought to be higher than two enclosures...
     
  20. Jan 5, 2017 #80 of 108
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    Have been reading the above posts with interest. Last year I had DTV connect two SWM 16s. I had 19 tuners, 7 DVRs and a Genie. I have a large family and when they get together they all want to record something so I wanted to keep all my DVRs. DTV came out around 9 times and could not get the system to work properly. They reinstalled all new equipment, rewired it using different kinds of splitters, bumped it up the support ladder, and in the end, just gave up. I removed the Genie (and reverted back to one SWM 16) and system works just fine. When they would use two SWM 16s it would work for a time (up to a week) and then just fail. They problem was in whole home. I read where some people have done this and everything works just fine, and others where no matter what is done with two or more SWM 16, it just does not work. Good luck and perhaps when the digital SWM that DTV authorizes for a larger number of tuners comes out I can try again, but was a disappointing and time consuming experience. Miss my HR44.
     

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