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Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Bedford11, Aug 21, 2015.

  1. Gloria_Chavez

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    Market is rapidly changing.....

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    AT&T, Verizon’s 5G Will Be a Cable Killer First, Say Cowen

    Impending 5G wireless service will be initially used to compete with cable service, opines Cowen & Co. analyst Colby Synesael. It'll take till about 2020 or so before 5G really leads to much faster speeds on your smartphone, he opines. Also, Verizon and AT&T are going to need a lot of fiber optics to make it all work.

    AT&T, Verizon’s 5G Will Be a Cable Killer First, Say Cowen

    Cowen & Co.’s telecom analyst Colby Synesael today offers up some thoughts on what the impending arrival of so-called 5G wireless services means for AT&T (T), Verizon Communications (VZ), in the form of a 25-minute video.

    I thought I'd bring you the highlights, though you're welcome to watch the entire 25-minute video at Cowen’s Web site if you like.

    One of the first uses of 5G, opines Synesael, will be to try and surpass cable networks for broadband into the home -- watch out Comcast (CMCSA):
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  2. boukengreen

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    The only problem could be low data caps. While my dsl speed is Pathetic I have never hit a data cap even in a month where I downloaded close to 1TB of data. I currently using about 5GB of data on my AT&T data plan because I tether my phone to my PS4 to watch monthly wrestling events


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  3. Bedford11

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    The only problem could be low data caps. While my dsl speed is Pathetic I have never hit a data cap even in a month where I downloaded close to 1TB of data. I currently using about 5GB of data on my AT&T data plan because I tether my phone to my PS4 to watch monthly wrestling events

    Not to worry there are so many competitors entering the fray, where in most rural area's there is just one provider and in a lot of Suburban area's just one or two providers, all of that is changing before your eyes. From the little guys with their new ability to provide internet services using the above mentioned CBRS Band to SpaceX coming at you from above. Capacity and Competition will insure fairly cheap (50-60 bucks, unlimited?, 20-30 bucks 400 Gig Caps?) service once all competitors are in place in your area. Cheaper TV will follow with all of the new streaming TV services such as AT&T's DirectTV Now, Dish Sling TV, Google/YouTube, Hulu TV, FaceBook TV, and the many, many others that will be competing for your TV dollars.

    SpaceX plans to begin testing its high-speed satellite broadband later this year

    Look for AT&T and others to leapfrog this soon. Most in the know say that android based streaming will be the winner.

    Dish unveils a 4K Android TV streaming box with Netflix, Sling TV, and local channels
     
  4. Beerstalker

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    When Verizon came out with their unlimited plan they specifically said that Phones got 22GB before prioritization, and that tethering to your phone, or using a MOBILE HOTSPOT/JETPACK would be capped at 10GB and be slowed to 3G after that. Their documentation never said anything about the 4G LTE Home Internet/phone or their fixed wireless devices. These devices are completely different then mobile hotspots/Jetpacks. A lot of people questioned them on this and there was no clear answer from Verizon on their website. Many people talked to salesman, store managers, online help, etc. and were assured that the Home Internet/fixed wireless devices would get the 22GB and then prioritization. People bought then and signed 2 year agreements etc and that was how the service worked for the first few months. People were going way over 22GB and not getting slowed down because they were on antennas that were not heavily burdened. Then all of a sudden last month I believe Verizon suddenly started enforcing a hard cap of 10GB on them. People were past their return period so they were stuck with the device and possibly a 2 year contract. People are very upset, taking them to small claims court, threatening class action suits, going to their state's Attourney General, etc.
     
  5. evotz

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    I'm just really not sure if Verizon users have much of a leg to stand on. I really haven't followed the Verizon side of things on this, so I'm definitely no expert on this.

    But as you say, nothing was ever included in any terms of service that users of hotspots/jetpacks/mifi/lte home internet/etc would be included in the 22GB limit. I'm not even sure if their TOS mentioned Jetpacks. I thought Mobile Hotspot was the only text that was included. I think you can definitely make an argument for what defines a Mobile Hotspot. Is tethering on a phone a mobile hotspot? What about a Jetpack or Mifi or other battery powered cellular data distributing device? Where does a device become a "hotspot" as opposed to a "mobile hotspot"?

    At least with AT&T's language

    Unlimited Data Plans - AT&T

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    They explicitly mention "Mobile Hotspot" and "Hotspot" as being two different things. They don't exactly define what those different things are. But if a generic battery powered cellular data distributing device is a "Mobile Hotspot" then it's limited to 10GB. If it's a "Hotspot" then it is not limited to 10GB and falls under the realm of the 22GB limit. Wireless Home Phone and Internet devices are explicitly mentioned and fall out of categorization as a "Mobile Hotspot" device and thus would be subjected to the the 22GB limit realm.

    Now, one thing I have learned. You really can't trust AT&T, Verizon, or any other cellular service provider. They can say one thing and mean something else entirely. Even if it's written in their TOS, their TOS is subject to their own interpretation of those terms. But at the very least if someone has a WHPI device on an AT&T unlimited plan and AT&T starts limiting them after 10GB without changing their TOS, then that person would have a legitimate legal stance based on these TOS. AT&T could just as easily change their TOS to reflect a 10GB limit on WHPI, but they would have to release those users from their contract.

    I'm not saying that AT&T is great by any means. But they do appear to be a bit more consumer friendly on this than Verizon. I'm surprised, given Verizon recent struggles in customer retention, that they have not relaxed their TOS verbage a bit.
     
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  6. Bedford11

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    The Neilson article is almost ten years old. The Multichannel link is invalid.

    OT: Gloria: I asked for information regarding your statement on "uncompressed OTA" as well as the basis for saying OTA picture is better than DIRECTV's.. Another thread, of course. Could you kindly reply there?
     
  9. Gloria_Chavez

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    Laxguy, removed my outdated signature. Thanks for the heads-up.

    With respect to OTA picture quality, I have the following....

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    Direct TV have the best picture quality...? - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews

    OTA has always looked better than cable or satellite, and whenever i install a TV for someone (i'm the resident TV Guy) i often use OTA as a reference on familiar news broadcasts when demonstrating the picture quality they're getting from their TV provider.

    FIOS is a very close 2nd behind antenna, and DirecTV is a somewhat close 3rd. TWC is a mixed bag; some areas (like my town and Torrance) get a great picture (better than DirecTV here in El Segundo, ironically where DirecTV is headquartered) but most other TWC areas (like several of their networks in various areas of LA) were formerly Comcast and they have considerably worse picture quality that's actually so poor that it's unacceptable to me. AT&T U-Verse here has mostly crappy HD picture quality and i rate them last. I haven't seen Dish anywhere in the past few years but i seem to remember it not being as good as DirecTV.
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    Has anyone ever claimed the DTV picture to be better than OTA?
     
  10. slice1900

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    OTA depends on your locals. If you have just the main HD channel and no subchannels, it is very high quality. Unfortunately many local stations have been adding subchannels, or even carrying two HD channels, which causes a big drop in quality.

    I used to have two locals with no subchannels and they were far superior to the locals Directv delivers via satellite. Now they each have three subchannels, and you can't really tell the difference between what you get via antenna and what you get via Directv or cable.
     
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  11. Bedford11

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    AT&T's announced speed of 10mbps for their fixed wireless has plenty of room to go, speeds will be increasing as they learn. I know the below towers are just a mile or so from the end user. Should be fairly easy to get 25 mbps full time at 8 or so miles.

    Fixed Wireless pushed to the limit | Southgate Amateur Radio News

    With thousands of On Demand shows and movies on DIRECTV NOW, combined with at least 10Mbps Internet, you can enjoy the ultimate entertainment experience, wherever you call home.

    AT&T Fixed Wireless Internet - Rural Internet and TV Without a Satellite
     
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  12. slice1900

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    The 10 Mbps is the minimum speed they will guarantee - i.e. they won't sell you the service if you are too far away or behind a big hill or whatever and can't get at least that much. They've said most customers could expect around 25 Mbps, but I'm not sure what the speed maxes out at and don't think they've announced that.

    All the radios they'll be using will be new so probably capable of hundreds of megabits, the limitation will be in the backhaul from the tower to AT&T's network. Who knows, if they don't cap the speeds maybe at 4am you'll be able to hit 500 Mb if you are reasonably close to the tower.
     
  13. boukengreen

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    That last part will be nice for people who like to download movies and video games if it does go that fast at night but it's also through people who will hit the 160GB cap as well considering now a days a disc based game is 40GB plus


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  14. slice1900

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    For downloading stuff though it doesn't really matter, because you can wait. Even at 25 Mbps, if you start a 40GB download when you go to bed, it'll be done by the time you wake up.

    As for the caps, with such large downloads you could hit the 160 GB easily, but it is still way better than satellite or a standard cellular plan!
     
  15. boukengreen

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    I agree it takes me forever to get things now with my 1.5MB down dal so I only stream the monthly WWE events because I can get enough speed with my phone ad tether it to my PS4 to get enough speed to stream Thor with my data plan


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  16. Laxguy

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    [OT] Thank you, Gloria. But as slice points out, it's all where you are. And subject to change as locals add more junk- er, sub channels. And I was asking your direct experience. What was the date of the AVS post?
     
  17. Bedford11

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    Will not be long before you can stream DirecTV NOW without it counting against the 160 gig. data bucket. Competition will make this possible.

    With Trump loosening the Net Regs., AT&T/DirectTV NOW, Verizon with their soon to be TV/Fixed Wireless Service, Google Wireless with their TV package, Dish/SlingTV and their soon to be wireless service and all the others coming will not count their TV service data against your data bucket limit. With that said, Can you all live with 160 gigs?

    Video and wireless are becoming the new double play battleground.

    AT&T + DIRECTV NOW - Unlimited Data Usage | FAQ

    Verizon Joins AT&T in Flexing Wireless Muscle: Fios TV Streaming is Now Wireless Data Free - Telecompetitor
     
  18. boukengreen

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    Depends on what good free video games I get from PlayStation Plus that month or any movies I buy or otherwise acquire that month lol but fine unless I go on a huge DL spree in refilling my HD that crashed on me which I might just go to my uncles to download because he gets around 300 down


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  19. Bedford11

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    Anybody really happy that AT&T Fixed Wireless is coming to their state this year?


    AT&T Fixed Wireless is expanding to 17 more states this year. Those additional 17 states are: Alabama, Arkansas, California, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, Ohio, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Wisconsin.

    The products and services are provided by subsidies and affiliates of AT&T under the carrier’s brand, but not directly by the carrier itself. (Is this DirectTV Now Installers?)

    Interesting where/how all this is heading.
    As at most telecommunications companies, AT&T’s wireless business is growing faster and is more profitable than its wireline side. One of its rivals, T-Mobile, is strictly wireless, which some analysts say gives it an advantage in a rapidly approaching future in which many customers will receive phone, internet and video service over wireless networks alone.

    AT&T Launches First Wave of Fixed Wireless Internet Availability to Rural and Underserved Areas

    AT&T launches fixed wireless internet in Georgia | FierceWireless

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/business/att-wireless-strike-union.html

    att.com/internet/fixed-wireless.html.
     
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  20. Bedford11

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    Don't look now, cause America's favorite (lol) cable co. is entering the streaming market to compete with DirectTV Now and the myriad of others coming online.

    Looking for all the cable cos. to enter the streaming market.
    This should insure some decent cheap packages without all the junk channels.

    DirectTV Now better have a very slick and intuitive portal (soon to be released) to fend off the competition.

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