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DirectTV national networks...how to get them?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by MudMover, Oct 12, 2009.

  1. MudMover

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    This is not for me...I live in Huntsville, AL and have the LiLs for this area.

    My mother lives in SW Louisiana near Lake Charles. The LiLs are not available for that DMA. My mother has tried to get the National Feeds (EAST) for ABC/CBS/NBC/PBS/Fox....but her "local" broadcast stations are refusing her. PBS and Fox have agreed to allow her national feeds but that's it so far. I believe I can pull in the local NBC affiliate (KPLC) but the "local" CBS affiliate is in Beaumont TX or Lafayette LA. Same goes for the ABC affiliates. Those towns (Beaumont and Lafayette) have LiLs available for their respective cities.

    Why are they rejecting her? What other avenues of appeal are there? The signals aren't that strong to begin with..and yes, my mother has an antenna up about 30 feet or more....and a 10dB amp in line.

    Her antenna is one of those small pancake ones (omnidirectional)....I really don't want to have to go yagi or anything directional...because then she'd have to get a rotator...and with me in H'ville,Al..that's just another thing to fail and for me to worry about.
     
  2. say-what

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    If the locals won't approve the waivers, the only other way is to pay for a site survey that determines what signals can be received or not received with a proper external antenna at the location. The fact that you don't want to install an antenna plays no role in the equation.
     
  3. JosephB

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    If those are the true locals that are supposed to cover her, and are available through DirecTV, then she should be getting them. If those locals are on DirecTV, and that's where they're submitting the waivers, and she doesn't get local service through DirecTV then something is wrong.
     
  4. texasbrit

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    A couple of things. First, availability of distant nationals is based on whether you can receive the stations off-air using a high-gain external antenna like a CM4228. Second, since the digital transition the rules are even more confused since they were written on the basis of analog signals. And third, the local stations in her area have a reputation of saying no to waiver requests anyway even though the applicant clearly qualifies under FCC rules, and the FCC does not seem to pursue cases where stations themselves don't follow the rules.
    Other than writing to the stations directly I don't have any suggestions. DirecTV's hands are tied on this matter.
     
  5. MudMover

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    "Proper external antenna"...So what's that defined as? So the broadcasters have the right to tell a person what antenna/setup they HAVE to have now days? She has an antenna. It caught all the channels before the transition. It's a known fact some DTV signals are lower signal strength than the analog ones were.
     
  6. MudMover

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    They are the only stations in the area for CBS/NBC/ABC etc. However Direct TV doesn't "have them" for that area. They only "have them" for adjacent DMAs.
     
  7. MudMover

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    So...since half the stations are due west of her...and the other half are due east...I reckon she'd have to have 2 antennas...and co-phase the antennas...or she'd have to have a stupid rotator as directed by a TV station....
     
  8. HoTat2

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    This really doesn't make any sense;

    If your Mother is in an officially established DMA without local TV channel coverage off-air, then she should automatically qualify for DNS SD and/or HD service via DirecTV irrespective of wether any of those other stations grant waivers or not.

    However, if those other stations are the assigned local stations covering her DMA as well as their own and DirecTV is carrying them on their system then DirecTV is obligated to turn them on for her zip code.

    But I guess it as just as texasbrit says, the system is just really screwed up. Especially so since the DTV transition. :nono2:
     
  9. Doug Brott

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    It's understandable why you may not like this situation, but yup, you've got it. If the location can use a good outdoor antenna to get the Locals, then it's not eligible for distant network service. It's pretty much as simple as that. This is a Government regulation and not something that DIRECTV can just ignore.
     
  10. Nicholsen

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    I am really sorry your local broadcasters are not more helpful.

    I second the idea of two directional antennas properly joined (or selected with an A/B switch). You should be able to get two sets of signals, with no rotor. I use a small 2 bow-tie flat antenna about 12 by 10 inches, and am impressed with the performance. The OTA antenna is much smaller than the sat dish, and you could easily mount two. Also, many directional antennas give good coverage to the back. If you point it east, you should get some signal from the west. Not as strong, but you should get something.

    Consider a one time investment to get a pro do to it right, and you should be good for 10+ years. If he or she tells you they can't make it work, you might get that in writing and pressure your local stations to be more accommodating.

    If you interested in DYI, there is lots of stuff on the web re OTA.
     
  11. MudMover

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    Thanks everyone. I'm not jerking on D* at all. I just find it hard to believe (and now HAVE to believe) TV broadcasters have customers by the proverbial family jewels as to what they have to do to get channels. It's rather insane.
     
  12. BattleZone

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    These are rules that Congress enacted to ensure that people were watching (and thus providing revenue for) their local network affiliates vs. larger affiliates further away. Without local viewers, the ad-funded local stations would go out of business, which is viewed as a bad thing, since they provide a "free" service for many people. These rules are designed to help protect their existance.

    But for a relatively small number of people, it means they must do some work in order to get those channels. The sat companies don't have much control over the process; Dish actually used to turn on locals without properly verifying them, and as a result are now prohibited from offering distant locals *at all*. DirecTV obviously doesn't want to be in that situation, so they must observe the rules carefully.
     
  13. JosephB

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    What is your mother's zipcode?

    It sounds like a strange situation..wherever your mother lives should be in a defined DMA. If the stations that are part of that DMA are on DirecTV, then DirecTV should turn them on. If the stations are not part of her DMA, then she should not be subject to them denying her waivers. The only stations that should be able to deny her waivers would be stations in her DMA that aren't carried by DirecTV.
     
  14. MudMover

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    70665.

    If you find anything out...I'd be willing to listen. I'm open for anything. I really don't want to implement a more complex antenna system that has more parts to fail unless I really have to as a last resort. If you look on TVfool and antennaweb.org you'll see what I mean by half the stations are west...half are east of her.

    Oh, and by the way...We filed with Direct TV on her behalf last night...and she verified today...she has the DNS for Fox and PBS. Funny thing is....Fox is the only station (KVHP) she can catch OTA....
     
  15. MudMover

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    Update:

    She has been granted PBS, Fox, and now CBS. If she doesn't get NBC, that's no biggie as the local NBC affiliate is near enough that I believe I can tune in. The ABC affiliate may prove to be a little more difficult but I may have a workaround for it as well. The CBS affiliate allowing the DNS may also provide me with good rationale for the ABC affiliate as those stations' antennas are located close by in Beaumont, TX.
     
  16. JosephB

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    I have been trying to find but cannot, which DMA your mother is in. If she lives in a DMA that is not served by DirecTV she shouldn't be getting denied by stations that are on DirecTV. From what I can tell she should probably be in Lake Charles, LA DMA. Are those on DirecTV or is it only the Beaumont, TX channels that are on DirecTV? Which locals are the waivers being sent to, Beaumont or Lake Charles? If they're being sent to Beaumont and she's in the Lake Charles DMA, you could probably contact the Beaumont locals directly, tell them she isn't even in their DMA and can't pick them up anyway, and they aren't losing a viewer to see if they will approve the waivers.
     
  17. MudMover

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    It is the Lake Charles DMA. By "served by Direct TV" do you mean do you mean Local in Local provided by Direct TV? If so, then there are NO locals provided at her location. Either by Dish who she had before or by Direct who she has now and previous to Dish. The local networks previously denied the application saying she could get them via antenna. Yeah...that's true if you have a 14 element Yagi and an amplifier. But again...she's gotten the CBS/FOX/PBS feeds now from DNS...and we're working on the ABC/NBC. The NBC affiliate will probably deny her..and that's fine...that tower is the closest..and we can pull it in with a good antenna..The ABC will require something else. Which to an engineer...means something else to fail.
     
  18. HoTat2

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    FWIW, just an update on the DNS issue with Dish. They're working on getting permission to offer DNS service again, if they first meet certain criteria of offering locals to 210 markets that is. The provision is included in the House version of the "Satellite TV Modernization Act," but not the Senate version as of yet.

    http://broadcastengineering.com/news/nab-allows-some-signals-1012/
     
  19. Tom Servo

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    Let me see if I can clarify something regarding DNS and the satellite providers.

    If you're in a market that DirecTV does not serve with locals, you still need a waiver from the stations in that market and any adjacent stations that might be viewable in that area to receive DNS.

    That is the really unfair part, that stations not in your market get to decide what you watch if you are in an area without the full slate of broadcast networks.

    I applied for waivers once in the Greeville-Greenwood, MS market and was denied by stations in the adjacent market. I was actually denied by the ABC in market (obviously) and the ABC in the adjacent market. Same with CBS and Fox. The only channel I could get was the statewide Miss. Public Broadcasting channel, but that happened to be the OTA signal I got well enough with a small antenna at that location.

    The whole 'locals issue' with satellite just sucks. Cable gets much more freedom to carry stations from out of market but DirecTV and Dish can't or won't. To me, the NAB's powerful lobbying is to blame. They put rural dish customers out to dry all to protect OTA viewing.

    If DirecTV were to uplink my market in HD, they'd only carry ABC. Fox and CBS are SD only. (Fox is a subchannel of the ABC station and AFAIK the CBS affiliate never bothered to buy HD pass-through equipment.) But I still get denied by stations in the adjacent market even though "technically" they aren't supposed to serve me.

    The whole system needs to be scrapped and it needs to be the TV stations who foot the bill to prove that people can receive the signal with a MODEST attic antenna. Fewer and fewer people can tolerate the big outdoor towers and rotor setups. (I'd love one but didn't have the room at that Miss. location.)
     
  20. JosephB

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    Satellite can carry adjacent "significantly viewed" channels. DirecTV does this, but only in markets that they carry the primary channels. Dish doesn't carry any SV channels at all.
     

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