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Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by slice1900, May 29, 2017.

  1. slice1900

    slice1900 Well-Known Member

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    This was pointed out to me, thought it was interesting: Space Assigned Numbers Authority (SANA)

    Note that it lists "Ku band". I looked up Directv-15 and the only entries for it show "Ka band" - even though that satellite also had reverse band and Ku payloads. So I think maybe this only refers to a satellite's primary mission instead of all bands it broadcasts/receives on. We already knew that either T16 goes to 101, or it goes to 103 and D15 goes to 101. Since it is designated as Ku here it looks like it probably goes to 101.

    I wonder if it might be a smaller simpler Ku only satellite, so they can build it faster and try to get it launched and operational before the end of next year for the MPEG2 SD cutoff? Hopefully before long we'll find out when in 2019 this is planned to happen.
     
  2. CraigerM

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    Could they be using this for HD duplicates on the KU band and using that for bad weather backup? I was wondering what they are going to do when they get rid of the SD duplicates and HD stays out longer in bad weather? I guess you would just use the DTV app for that? Or maybe they will use the T-16 for the local HD sub-channels?
     
  3. inkahauts

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    I don’t expect them to say anything about mpeg2 turning off again till sometime in the middle of 2019.

    And not sure why that cutoff would have anything to do with getting the new sat launched. I kind of expect the new sat to be rather huge, basically replacing all the satelites at 101 right now, including all their spots, because they can not afford to lose spot beam coverage since they will still need to show all the non Hi Definition channels from somewhere.
     
  4. slice1900

    slice1900 Well-Known Member

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    They have to say something long before mid 2019 if they plan to switch MPEG2 off before the end of 2019. It will take a while to get all those SD customers upgraded. How far in advance did they put out their plans for dropping MPG receivers? This is a lot more difficult migration than the MPG one was because they can't just ship receivers that are a drop in replacement, they will have to visit the customer to replace dishes.

    There are only a handful of MPEG2 SD only locals, they will move those to MPEG4 SD on the Ka spot beam.
     
  5. inkahauts

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    One of the main reasons I suggest mid 2019 is the longer they wait the fewer people will need to be upgraded in this way... and I personally also don’t except them to stick with 2019.... just me being pessimistic on that..

    Also, it won’t surprise me if they try and offer those that they can DIRECTV ip rather than DIRECTV sat as an upgrade (they mentioned it’s coming this year, and note this is not dtv now service) to avoid all those service truck rolls. But they need to wait till that is out in force with DVR ability first. That could significantly cut down on the number of upgrades in major cities if they could get some people to go that route.
     
  6. slice1900

    slice1900 Well-Known Member

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    The kind of people who are still SD only in 2018 are still going to be SD only in 2019, and would be in 2020 if Directv didn't force the issue. I doubt the rate of voluntary conversions / leaving Directv is all that much anymore. Almost everyone Directv is going to convince to move voluntarily via upgrade offers has already done so.

    The ones who are left are stuck in their ways, and at this point are probably more likely to drop Directv SD because they died than because they voluntarily chose to. They aren't gonna be up on the latest technology and a streaming product like Directv Now that works very different from how traditional cable/satellite does isn't likely to appeal to them IMHO, even if it costs less.
     
  7. Delroy E Walleye

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    I would think (in theory, at least) that the 101-only Ku dishes might not necessarily even need all to be replaced. Just receivers that can only receive MPEG2 channels.

    (That is, if there are still plans for Ku transmission at 101.)
     
  8. HoTat2

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    The problem is, how does converting all the Ku DBS feeds to A3 SD really gain DIRECTV anything, except to free up more bandwidth at 101°W, 110°W, and 119°W?

    You even have to keep the same spotbeam channels at 101°W and 119°W, so those with P. 1 and P.III dishes can still receive local channels ...

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  9. Delroy E Walleye

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    I guess I wasn't really thinking in terms everything necessarily having to stay in SD.

    Just that maybe all 101-only dishes not needing replacement.

    Sure would be interesting to know what the actual plans are...
     
  10. HoTat2

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    Yeah ...

    I also continue to be very surprised at still no FCC filings for the T16 satellite yet at this very late stage of a launch date scheduled for this year ....

    I've never seen this happen before ...

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  11. slice1900

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    All the satellites they've launched since D5 have added new capacity of some sort so they had to file to show they were progressing to avoid losing their license on a certain band. T16 doesn't.
     
  12. slice1900

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    At one time I thought they might do this to save money by avoiding replacing the 101 only dishes, but the lack of locals would be a real issue. I doubt they will keep 119 post-2019, so if they wanted to do this they'd need spot beams on 101 to replace all the spot beams on 101 and 119. I don't know offhand how many that is, but adding those beams to T16 may well cost more than replacing those 101 only dishes.

    Theoretically they do could it halfway, and mirror MPEG4 SD of all channels on 101 but not provide locals. That would work for DNS accounts like for RVs and boats, but that doesn't seem like enough to make it worth it for them. You'd think they have to announce something pretty soon if things are going to change for RV accounts, because it isn't like you can just call Directv and get a new dish installed in your RV. They would want to know well in advance so they can plan for it.
     
  13. Delroy E Walleye

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    Yeah, probably not cost-effective if all need replacement. I wonder if the current 101 locals could avoid it for a while, at least.

    I sure would be curious though. With the latest modern compression tech just how much service could actually be crammed into that 101 space slot and piped through a single, old-style Ku LNB?...
     
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    If all the 101 stuff will be going MPEG4, what receivers does DIRECTV currently have available that will handle MPEG4 with a non-SWiM LNB?
     
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    Or, that due to line of sight issues, they are unable to receive the HD satellite signals and consequently DirecTV refused to allow HD service. If they ever do allow DirecTV over IP, I'd be all over it.
     
  16. NashGuy

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    Yup. I agree 100%.

    Good points, although their next-gen streaming service (which Inkahauts refers to as "DIRECTV ip") is not going to be quite the same thing as what we currently see with DirecTV Now. This new service, slated to launch later this year, will seem very much like traditional cable/satellite TV to the user (assuming that AT&T has the kinks worked out of their software and deploys a sufficiently robust back-end to power the service). In fact, I predict that the service will look pretty much just the same to the user as DirecTV satellite service will on the next generation Genie Mini C71. AT&T is basically going to do the same thing that their European counterpart Sky (the leading satellite TV service over there) is doing this year: offering their full-blown service two ways, via satellite and via streaming.
     
  17. HoTat2

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    For reference;

    101°W has 44 active spotbeam tps. distributed over 26 local spotbeams.

    119°W is 37 active spotbeam tps. distributed over 29 local spotbeams. However, two spotbeam tps. actually have two downlink local spotbeams, with one of those four spotbeams currently unused.

    So 119°W numbers are "effectively" 39 active spotbeam tps. dist. over 28 spotbeams.



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  18. slice1900

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    If they used similar modulation they could fit 5 HD channels per Ku transponder. However, when they switch to DVB-S2 they will have higher order modulations available. If they were willing to make it as susceptible to rain fade as Ka, they could probably fit upwards of 250 HD channels on 101 - pretty much everything they have. But then what would they do with 99 and 103? :p
     
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    All HD receivers except the H25 and the Genie/Genie 2 can handle MPEG4 with a legacy LNB. If it was just a matter of swapping receivers they'd hand out H24s for D1x and older SD receivers and HR24s for R1x and call it a day.
     
  20. slice1900

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    While I'm sure there are some, I can't believe there are more than a few thousand customers who can receive 101 but not 99 or 103. They are a pretty tight grouping.
     

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