DIRECTV 4K Available to More Customers

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by SledgeHammer, Dec 16, 2016.

  1. SledgeHammer

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    Nope. I have a HR24 + AM21. I have a single TV, so I never had a use for 5 tuners + WHDVR. Its still cheaper for me. I'm on the 10+10 structure. If I got a Genie it'd be 10+10+3. If I was a newb, it'd be 25. I'm not arguing over 3 bucks, I would suck it up if I had to I guess lol :). $10 + 3 boxes and all the cables is what irks me. And actually, in another thread, I read that for the Genie, you don't piggyback on the AM21 power anymore, so you need yet another cord. Geez. They just go backwards don't they.

    They fixed one of my issues today (dropping the package requirement), so that's good. If they go headless, they might even drop the double outlet requirement, but I'd still be stuck with the 3 boxes... I'm not jumping today or anything since there isn't content, so no point... but I'm thinking if the only option is headless, I'll probably jump when the time comes.

    Hopefully they'll announce a better solution at CES...
     
  2. inkahauts

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    Frankly I like the genie. Not a huge fan of Dish interface. Hate the older ones, and find the hoppers only ok personally. But thats a personal choice... Everyone is different. Other than having a more tuners (Dish has done that absolutely right) its great for me and works excellent. Some may have issues, but I see the same with Dish, so eh, not an issue.

    Things change all the time, Dish used to charge for hd fee to. Now they switched to charge for each outlet instead for new customers only. Dish charges more per dvr it seems than others, except the hopper 3, which sounds like you can still only have one of. Directv you dont pay more based on dvrs, its the same fee for outlets and only one dvr fee. With initial discounts, both services are close in price, and with calling in after discounts end, they will both stay close. Dish is super cheap IMHO and doesn't carry the most important channel I watch, so its a waste of money for me personally.. But that's for me only, and is simply proof that content is still king in general.

    And I dont call that a lie, anymore than everyone elses lies., simply because the cable companies around me do the same dang thing. I think it should be stopped from everyone but it isn't. And as others have said, Dish charges more too depending on credit and such. so are they lieing as well? Or is it more of just the same in not telling everyone everything like all the companies do. That's my issue in general, they all do it, so I don't see the point of bashing one for it and not the other. Sorry... I mean lets discuss how Dish used to count every ppv movie as a "channel" for their hd counts... Please.... They all market spin stuff poorly.

    And how do you get that price for 4 rooms? Its 15 for the account dvr fee and 7 each outlet, so that would be $43. not 57+ You seem to be doing some weird math there.
    And as I recall, the all inclusive packs on Directv had more channels than Dishes so yeah, that would make some sense....

    Frankly, there isnt enough 4k from either to really worry about, but what Directv does have with their live sports is a nice start over the same nat geo in 4k stuff and 30 ppv both seem to have.
     
  3. inkahauts

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    Actually, if you where new today itd actually be $22. Its 15 for dvr and one outlet fee.... Genie or not....

    I agree they need a solution for one tv houses and 4k asap... I do not expect them to show anything at ces, they haven't done that in many many years...

    Directv has pretty much made it obvious they do not care about OTA anymore sadly. Otherwise they would have a new way to go OTA. I think their new plan is streaming for the locals.... I think dish doesn't feel they can go that route because they are way to often in disputes and hand out ota antennas all the time, so they need to keep supporting it...
     
  4. SledgeHammer

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    I normally watch the DirecTV locals. I can't really tell any PQ diff between DirecTV CBS and Los Angeles OTA CBS, but I haven't done a comparison in a while. There is a substation on 5 (5.1 I think) that shows classic shows like Good Times, Diff'rent Strokes and one of the NBC substations shows Six Million Dollar Man, Bionic Woman, etc. I wouldn't lose sleep if I lost OTA, but I'd rather have it then not.

    Lets say you have a Genie and a Client at the same TV, how do they even inter-connect in that setup? From the wiring diagrams I'm seeing, it doesn't look like you can connect them directly?

    EDIT: Oh, good grief... looks like if you want to have the HR54 and C61K on the same TV, you need to have 2 RG6 lines going up the SWM?? WTH?? This setup is sounding more and more retarded. I couldn't even do that since I have 2 RG6 lines going downstairs now... had them from when the DVRs required 2 lines and multiplexed in OTA on one of them. Then I switched over to SWM and just run 1 sat line and 1 ota line.
     
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  5. slice1900

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    If you had the HR54 and C61K next to each other you'd have one coax from the SWM, and put your splitter at the location where you had the two boxes. Duh.
     
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  6. inkahauts

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    Honestly we have to many sub channels and our over the air has degraded in the last decade. Satellite vs over the air is about the same today still. (I'm in the same market as you just further north than Irvine. )

    At least the 5.1 sub channels have stuff on them worth while though.

    I suspect that channel will go cable at some point and become national.

    And yeah, you'd just put the splitter at the location. Not a problem at all.
     
  7. slice1900

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    Yeah unfortunately OTA used to provide much better quality now it really isn't all that different anymore thanks to the damn subchannels.
     
  8. gator1234

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    I have a Genie so to get 4K I would still have to purchase a 4k mini client which I assume costs $99.00 plus installation then $7.00 per month. Is this correct?
     
  9. peds48

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    Yes, unless you have an RVU TV.


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    Do they still charge you the $7.00 per month if you use an RVU TV.
     
  11. peds48

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    Of course!


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  12. HoTat2

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    Can't believe years ago when RVU was under development I once thought what a great way to save on the bill this would be when it became integrated into the TV equipment itself. So no monthly STB fee for an RVU client.

    Yeah right ... like DIRECTV was a about to allow such a loophole to exist and hurt that revenue stream ... lol.

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  13. lparsons21

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    Yeah, but that thought comes from all the talk of 'leasing' the equipment. The fee is not now, nor has ever been a leasing fee. It has always been an outlet fee.


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  14. jimmie57

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    I noticed that my new Samsung says it will also record if you stick a flash drive in the USB hole.
    But NOT in the USA or Canada.
    I wonder why that is.
     
  15. drpjr

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    I can't think of a good reason but I bet Directv would get another $7 for the "DVR" capability.
     
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  16. inkahauts

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    Has nothing to do with dtv.
     
  17. Jodean

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    Unfortunately most customers do not qualify for free 4k upgrade, 9 out of 10 the option doesnt even show up.

    When it first came out almost all customers would qualify, even if they had a hr 44 or hr 34, now its almost impossible, hope they fix this issue. I have alot of hr34 customers from about 3 years ago that want to ditch the POS receiver for one that works, kinda sucks that they are limiting the upgrades......even had a customer on premier protection plan with a hr34 not qualify for 4k upgrade till i deactivated his hr34, then immediately he qualified for 4k. Seems kinda backwards not? This is hard to do if they only have clients, this guy happend to still have R22 HDs somehow.
     
  18. drpjr

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    I would think if Samsung/Directv authorized a recording function for Directv programming on it's Directv authorized RVU TV's Directv would beg to differ.
     
  19. KyL416

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    This isn't a DirecTV specific thing. The DVR with a USB drive function on Samsung smart TVs are disabled for ALL of North America, not just DirecTV, and it was disabled on North American models long before RVU became a thing.

    Not to mention that DVR feature only works with digital RF signals, not RVU, not analog RF, not composite, not component and not HDMI, so it wouldn't work with DirecTV anyway.

    It's likely a patent/license related issue. (i.e. TiVO and their constant lawsuits against competitors) As well as the fact that internationally there's a standard for actual useful EPG data over DVB. While in North America, you're lucky if any of your OTA stations provide more than 12 hours of basic data, and if you're using Clear QAM you don't get any EPG data.
     
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  20. CraigerM

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    I wonder if it does go to a headless gateway and they charge $15 a month for it and that's it would it be worth it saving the $7 a month because what if in that system would it be an all Headless Gateway/Client only system? Would you be able to have that system with your current equipment and have the headless gateway also connect to the current equipment and use the Whole-Home part.
     

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