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Directv 4K quality

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by captaink5217, Apr 4, 2016.

  1. mutelight

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    They have released two 77" consumer models but at the time I purchased my 75" it was basically double the price. Now they have dropped a fair amount in price with G6 being $11k and G7 is $13k, still more than what I paid a year ago though for my Z.

    I have the 65" E6 which is the same year as yours. While it is better in the 2016 models, you are still rolling the dice since the technology of panels this large is still relatively new and people are still swapping out panels.

    Yes, with gaming mode enabled on both, the LCD is faster with better motion resolution. Not by much but it is there. Also LG recently screwed up HDR gaming mode with their latest update which is frustrating.

    It is not a fair comparison to compare the price you paid with a ton of discounts for the lower tier OLED to a flagship LCD that has a 10" larger panel.

    Anyway, really my point is that LCD has come a far way and it beats my OLED in multiple different areas whereas the OLED has its strengths as well. The black levels on my Z are nothing short of amazing. Until you start moving off-axis, you'd be hard pressed to think it wasn't OLED but my OLED still edges it out in pure black levels for sure.
     
  2. slice1900

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    The rumor mill said this was a bitter fight between Apple and the studios, who wanted to charge more for 4K versions. Likely not all studios will be on board with Apple, and most companies aren't willing do a 'take it or leave it' thing like Apple so I wouldn't consider the HD price = 4K price to be something you should expect to see from others anytime soon.
     
  3. Rich

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    I have a self-imposed $2,000 limit on TV sets. I'm still trying to get over giving away a $2400 720p set that I bought without knowing what I was doing. Black Friday can't come soon enough. Also, I had a bad experience with an LG 4K (not OLED) set and I'm not over that.

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  4. mutelight

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    Yeah I had seen a few articles on that. Hopefully Apple keeps applying pressure to the studios and I would also like to see the early release movies plan come to fruition as I would be willing to pay $30 or so to rent a movie that hit the theaters a few weeks ago and have a bunch of people over for a movie night.

    As far as current 4K HDR digital purchases, the price is too high, especially since they are so close to physical disc prices where I tend to get a digital copy of the movie with it anyway. If there is a $5 difference between a disc and digital, I will gladly pay the extra $5 for lossless audio and significantly higher bitrate. Now if the gap widens to $10 - $15 where digital is cheaper, depending on the movie, I could see part of my collection going digital.

    *EDIT* Looks like Disney is one of the only major studios that isn't OK with the pricing. Disney Is the Only Major Hollywood Studio Not Backing Apple's Plan to Sell 4K Films at $20
     
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  5. slice1900

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    That's funny because Steve Jobs was on Disney's board (due to his ownership of Pixar when Disney bought them) so if he was still around I'm sure they would have been on board with this. His widow still holds billions in Disney stock but she never got involved in either Apple's or Disney's business.
     
  6. inkahauts

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    Hollywood likes to be difficult. They never understand the idea of offering things for less drives more business, and that having something coming out in theaters and disc within a couple months of each other undercuts mid marketed movies box office returns by a wide margin...

    No discs should cost more than 15. And that should always include digital copies. I know almost everyone I know waits till a price is dropped to about that before they consider buying a movie anymore. Even if it means waiting a year or two.
     
  7. millercentral

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    So here is the thing on high quality cables and 4K. In general I completely agree that all the marketing tech-speak that cable makers like Monster Cable promote is useless. However, 4K video content (especially HDR and 60Hz) drive a lot more data through the cable then standard 1080p, and it IS important when dealing with 4K sources to ensure the cable is built to support that bandwidth.

    Does that mean you should go buy that expensive Monster Cable? Nope. For "normal length" cable runs of 6ft - 15ft, so far it seems the "Certified Premium" certification program by the HDMI trade association seems to be the most reliable way to tell if an HDMI cable can carry the full 18Ghz of a 4K 4:4:4 60Hz signal. Monoprice has cables with this spec for around $4.50 -- I've been using these for my 4K sources and they work great. Interestingly, Monster Cable "UltraHD" cables don't carry the Certified Premium tag.

    If you need a cable longer than 15', the problem gets much harder. AVSForum has a good thread with technical testing of cables that work, but it tends to be fiber-optic-based cables that win the day here.

    Today, DirecTVs 4K signal is 4K60, 8-bit, SDR BT.709. This format does not tax HDMI cables as much as some other formats (it fits within the 9Ghz HDMI 2.0 spec, rather than the 18Ghz HDMI 2.0a spec), so you may get away without needing a higher-quality Certified Premium cable, but as DirecTV 4K plans evolve, they could move to a HDR-based signal that does need the additional bandwidth, so planning for better cables is probably wise.
     
  8. slice1900

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    There is no "9 GHz HDMI" or "18 GHz HDMI" spec. HDMI may use 9 Gbps or 18 Gbps depending on the content, however they both use the exact same 600 MHz TDMS clock over the cable. A cable that works for 9 Gbps will always work for 18 Gbps.
     
  9. mutelight

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    Yeah I think they meant Gbps rather than Ghz. That said, I had to replace numerous HDMI cables that were high rated years back once I started going through and updating all my systems to HDR.

    My latest example was when I replaced the TV in the office, I have a 25ft HDMI running from my PC to my AVR then another 25ft up to the TV. Whenever I used a HDMI 2.0a HDCP 2.2, nothing would show up but going to an older HDMI port, when chroma subsampling was utilized the cable was fine. I replaced that one cable (after process of elimination determining which one wasn't high speed enough) and now am running 4:2:2 10-bit for HDR games from my PC. The time before that, it was with one of my Nvidia Shields using a cable from a few years back but now almost all my cables are Amazon or Media bridge and each system has multiple HDR devices connected to them.
     
  10. FarNorth

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    Sony. No baloney. I have an XBR-75X940C and it is spectacular.
     
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  11. mutelight

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    I am a fan of Sony, which is why I have two now but have had TVs from LG (one I currently have), Sharp, Samsung, JVC back in the day. There is something about how Sony handles colors out of the box that I prefer over any other brand.

    Currently watching my 4K Blu-ray copy of Blade Runner that I received today on my Z and my jaw is on the floor. It is easily one of my best looking 4K Blu-rays, it is like it was shot yesterday.
     
  12. MysteryMan

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    Same here. Been using Sony TVs for decades.
     
  13. SledgeHammer

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    Actually, 10.2Gbps (HDMI 1.3 - 1.4b) and 18Gbps (2.0 - 2.0b) and 48Gbps (HDMI 2.1). 10.2Gbps uses a 340Mhz TDMS and 18Gbps uses a 600Mhz TDMS and 48Gbps uses a 1200Mhz TDMS. HDMI 1.0 to 1.2a was only 4.95Gbps.

    Of course, not all cables are compatible with all speeds and feature sets. Older cables that didn't have the Ethernet channel can't pass Ethernet.

    HDMI 1.3 cables work with everything in the HDMI 1.4 spec except Ethernet since they don't have the Ethernet channel. HDMI 2.1, of course, requires new cables.

    Many older HDMI 1.4 cables (and some newer) have issues passing 4K @ 60Hz 4:4:4.

    If an HDMI cable can only reliably pass 4K @ 60Hz @ 4:2:0 in the woods and no one is around to complain about all that missing color information, that doesn't mean its a 18Gbps capable cable :).

    Many of the more honest manufacturers will admit that certain cables can only reliably pass 60Hz 4:2:0. You certainly don't need to spend a fortune to get 60Hz 4:4:4, I run the $4 Monoprice 18Gbps passives and they pass 4K @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 just fine.
     
  14. wilbur_the_goose

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    What does the choice of TV or HDMI cable have to do with the quality of D*'s 4k service?
     
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  15. P Smith

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    not much
    it could be low quality and DVR would finish HDCP negotiation with lower spec, perhaps HD PQ instead of UHD 60 fps 4:2:2 HDR10
     
  16. mutelight

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    Actually quite a bit. A better TV will allow you to enjoy DirecTV 4K at higher quality and if you use an older cable it may not pass 4K without issues. :)

    Let’s be honest here though, I’ve had 4K service since the beginning and there isn’t very much content or things to discuss strictly tied to the topic.

    I also haven’t seen any questions gone unanswered so I don’t see any harm with going a little wider on the topic.
     
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  17. Rich

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    Can't even imagine having a disc collection anymore, what with all the movies available on streaming services. I get people like collecting things, I see nothing wrong with that. I just can't see a reason to buy discs at this point.

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  18. mutelight

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    Higher quality with physical with significantly higher bitrates that helps in complex scenes and lossless audio. Plus you get the best of both worlds because you get the digital version for flexibility and the pricing is about the same between physical with digital vs. digital only.
     
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  19. Rich

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    I've never seen a Series 9 Sony side by side with a Samsung Series 8 set. Makes me wonder how lacking my Sammys are, everybody that has one of the Sony 9s raves about them. I haven't bought a UHD player, I'm waiting for NF to start renting the UHD discs. I gotta see it to believe it and I have been swayed by the folks that have the 9s into believing they are better than the Sammy Series 8 sets. I have been told by folks that have Sammy 4Ks that they do see a large difference in the UHD discs when compared to an upscaled BD. I gotta see it.

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  20. SledgeHammer

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    Ya... it amazes me that people think 15Mbps - 30Mbps 4K from a streaming service or DirecTV looks the same as UltraHD BluRay @ 100Mbs (there are 3 bitrates depending on the kind of disc, but that's the average of the 3) with DolbyVision on a nice TV. Not even in the same ballpark! And that's just on the video side, if we are talking audio side, that's not even a comparison either since none of the services use the full quality audio that UHD BluRay has.
     
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