DirecTV 4K UHD plans

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  1. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator

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    DirecTV has an RVU client.

    Not so much more. The bonding will allow channels to be bridged between two transponders but the transponders are big enough to fit at least one 4K channel.
     
  2. Steve

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    The UHD display was running a 4k demo. I could definitely see how the resolution was comparatively silky smooth standing a couple of feet away. Moving 3-4 feet back, the 1080p picture appeared equally smooth.

    Are you sure the YouTube bit rate to the Roku is the same as the YouTube bit rate being sent to the TV? It seems wasteful from a bandwidth standpoint that the Roku would advertise to YouTube it's a 4k capable device when it can only output 1080p. Just thinking out loud.
     
  3. Drew2k

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    YouTube supports multiple resolutions for this video, so my understanding is it sends the maximum that the device can handle. In this case, YouTube played the 1080p stream, while the native TV app played the 2160p stream.
     
  4. Steve

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    Gotcha. I just played that YouTube video directly to my 2k 65" Panasonic ZT60 and the color and contrast were beautiful, but the image resolution wasn't nearly as crisp as I'm used to seeing. YouTube should have been sending 1080p, but it looked like somewhere between 480p and 720p to me. I've got 50mb internet and the TV is hardwired, so I should have been receiving max YouTube resolution for that device. :shrug:
     
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  5. harsh

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    If the NFL makes it a condition of buying the rights to the games, it will likely move things along a lot faster. NBC would probably be left out but I'd bet that CBS and Fox would be all over it.

    Whether you believe that ESPN is ready is up to you.
     
  6. slice1900

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    I don't know when the CBS & Fox contracts are up for renewal, but if it is in the next few years the NFL can't make that a condition as ATSC 3.0 isn't even standardized yet. It may be ratified sometime next year, then equipment that meets that standard has to be manufactured, purchased by affiliates, tested, etc. That ignores the issues of what to do about all the people who will no longer be able to watch since ATSC 3.0 is not backwards compatible. As Diana has mentioned the available real time HEVC encoders are currently less efficient than the MPEG4 encoders, so they have a ways to go on that front as well. ATSC 3.0 should increase the bit rate, but we're talking about maybe 25 or 26 Mbps. That's hardly enough for a decent 4K signal, does anyone think they're going to drop all those subchannels to insure they deliver quality 4K? They'll probably add more...

    If the contracts are up in 2020, most of these obstacles are removed, but it puts us into the timeline I was suggesting. As stated a small number of games like the ones on ESPN or NFL Network could be done in 4K, but that's not what was discussed, which is getting NFLST in 4K. We're years from that. Look how long it took from the introduction of HD on Directv for NFLST to offer all the games in HD.

    If the NFL pushed a requirement like that and CBS and Fox told their affiliates, "you have to be ready to broadcast 4K in 2018" they'll probably lose a lot of small market affiliates who couldn't afford such an upgrade. There may be clauses in the affiliate contracts that prevent the parent network from putting unfunded requirements on them, then it would be up to the network to pay for upgrading all the affiliates - leaving less money to bid for the NFL contract. If the NFL thinks they'll get less money with a 4K requirement in place, does anyone really believe they'd sacrifice the money? It isn't like fans will switch to Arena football if those games were carried in 4K and the NFL wasn't.
     
  7. peds48

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    Not sure what to make of it. I played the video on 1080p and 4K on the same 5K monitor and at two feet the difference was vey minimal

    Tried to attach pics of both 1080p and 4K but for some reason I am not being able to
     
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  8. damondlt

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    What model is the RVU client?
    The 4K ready RVU tvs?
     
  9. Drew2k

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    I have no explanation for it. I shrug with you!
     
  10. slice1900

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    Youtube uses different bit rates depending on demand so you won't get the same stream twice depending on how busy they are. It isn't useful as a comparison for anything, because the tests are not repeatable.
     
  11. Steve

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    That could explain why Drew saw a noticeable difference between 1080p and 4k and Peds only saw a slight difference.
     
  12. Mike Bertelson

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    No more personal comments. Discuss the topic and not each other. If you have an issue with a post, report it. Don't reply to it.

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  13. Drew2k

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    It could but when I first got the TV I had people over all weekend and we we did multiple comparisons with multiple videos, and from then through today it's been consistent that from 9 feet back we could clearly distinguish a difference in picture quality and tell which video was played at 1080p and which was 4K. I know you couldn't see the difference in the store beyond 2 feet, but I'm happy to say that here we definitely can. :)
     
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  14. harsh

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    The fact that there won't be any 8K TVs out there for a good long time doesn't seem to be stopping at least one broadcaster from recording the next Olympics in 8K.

    It doesn't really matter how long it takes for the OTA broadcasters to catch up -- someone is going to want the games recorded in the best available format.
     
  15. Steve

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    FWIW, it was 6 feet. :p Paced it out.
     
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  16. harsh

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    Do you know for certain that the source transfer for each trial was the same?

    I'm hopeful that the 4K content won't be some sort of a digital "punch up" of the 1080 transfer intended solely to exploit HDR but I wouldn't bet on it.
     
  17. NR4P

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    Is there a way on a Samsung TV to determine the resolution from streamed content from the TV apps such as Youtube?
     
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  19. slice1900

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    It makes sense for stuff to be filmed in better quality even if it can't be delivered in that quality. There were plenty of movies filmed in 70mm even though most people watched in theaters with 35mm projection equipment using 35mm prints of lower quality.

    As far as sports goes, 99% of its commercial value is lost the next day. People want to watch live, the number of people willing to pay to watch the 2006 Super Bowl or 2008 Olympics today is pretty small, regardless of how much better quality it is than when it was live.
     
  20. Rich

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    I saw the difference in the stores too. But I also saw the same feed on a 1080p and a 4K set side by side and could see no difference in PQ no matter where I stood. Not sure what the feed was, the HDMI ports on each set were in use, but it was identical on both sets. That really confused me. It was at a local Costco, both were Sammy TVs, both the same size. The only difference I could see was the $1,000 price difference. That confused me and still does as I read thru these posts. Shouldn't the 4K set have been noticeably better? To top off the experience there was no one there to ask questions of. A bunch of us were watching and I said the 4K should be upscaling the feed to 4K. Nobody knew nothing.

    Rich
     

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