DirecTV 4K UHD plans

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  1. Al K

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    I thought the HR54 was capable of receiving 4k programming from sats with bonded transponders.

    So if I want to use a C61, I need an HR54 to communicate with?
     
  2. peds48

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    that is what the rumor mill said. They also said the HR54 was HDCP 2.2... You can safely use a C61 with an HR34/44


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  3. slice1900

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    Saw a reference today to a UHD streaming sports channel launching in Europe. BT says it requires 44 Mbps for 50 fps...that indicates somewhere north of 50 Mbps for 60 fps sports in the US. Since it is streaming that's taking into the account the highest momentary rate. That 44/50+ Mbps contrasts with Netflix requiring 15.6 Mbps, since Netflix is pre-encoded so it can be compressed a lot better, isn't live streaming so it only needs an average rate versus a peak rate, is 24 fps for movies and 30 fps for the rest rather than 50/60 fps, and isn't fast action sports.

    That indicates that 4K sports channels are going to have a pretty heavy footprint when displaying live 4K sports, taking up essentially an entire transponder per channel (possibly more, that's what bonding would allow) though the bit rate demand should drop as real time encoders slowly improve over the next few years. The bit rate of their 4K PPV and other non-live programming should be more comparable to Netflix's offering, and they may fit up to 3 per transponder (depending on the modulation they end up choosing)

    I wonder if Directv might end up blocking a couple 4K PPV channels against them when they aren't live and have much lower bit rate demands, so they can drop them when live 4K sports are aired and they need much greater bandwidth. Similar to how they do now with the RSN alts.
     
  4. inkahauts

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    You can use a c61k with any genie, a hr34, a hr44 a h44 and a hr54. Toady. We don't know if satellite bonding is in the plans, just that it could be. I personally don't think it'll get used anytime soon, if ever, but who knows... But as of today,. They all supply the same things.
     
  5. slice1900

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    Yes, we don't know for sure if the HR54 has a DVB-S2X chipset (required for bonded transponder support) if Directv will use them for 4K (I think it is virtually certain they will) and if they do whether they will do it from day one of 4K broadcasts or it won't be done until a few years down the road when the HR54 is getting long in the tooth anyway. Not worth worrying about, because if the HR54 is required to receive 4K broadcasts, anyone with an older Genie would have to be upgraded to it if they sign up for 4K service.

    The chipsets that support DVB-S2X only became available this year, so unless the HR54 was designed fairly recently, or they changed that halfway through the testing cycle, I'm skeptical that it supports it. Doubly so because it seems a bit odd to have a receiver that can receive 4K broadcasts but not display them, but I suppose Directv could have legitimate financial/engineering reasons why they wanted that way.
     
  6. James Long

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    "Under AT&T’s umbrella, DirecTV is releasing a new set-top box for 4K Ultra HD programming.

    The box, called the 4K Genie Mini DVR, is about the size of a paperback book and will allow more customers to watch 4K movies on their 4K televisions. It also supports Dolby Digital Plus audio decoding."

    No date given, nor new information. The author does seem to be giving credit to AT&T for something DirecTV has been working on pre-merger.
     
  7. HoTat2

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    I think this article and others are just referring (inaccurately so) to the C61K 4K Genie Mini client.

    http://dbstalk.com/index.php?/topic/218833-First-Look:-DIRECTV-C61K-4K-Genie-Mini-Client

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  8. slice1900

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    Yes, Directv hasn't announced anything new for 4K other than now with the C61K you can get 4K without having a TV that does 4K RVU. The offering has been unchanged since November, there is still only a small selection of overpriced 4K PPV movies.
     
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    Does anybody know which DVR/Receiver that we need to get 4k in 2016?
     
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    peds48

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    when DirecTV starts doing linear 4K and HR54 with a C61K would be required


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  12. Dec 2, 2015 #2213 of 2220
    toobs

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    Can HR54 output in 4k, or do you have to have the C61K to a 4k tv?
     
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    alnielsen

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    The HR54 can not output 4K on it's HDMI port. A C61 client is required.
     
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    ep1974

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    Four or five months ago I e-mailed DT about compatable receivers for linear 4K and they said my HR44 would suffice. Now I'm really confused. Has DT actually released any public info about this?
     
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    When you emailed them they would only be talking about the 4K they offered at that time (or even today) which is merely a handful of overpriced VOD movies. HR44 is fine. When they begin broadcasting 4K channels early next year (with only two channels) a HR54 may be required, but there's also a chance it won't be required until sometime later, since their initial 4K broadcasts will be done using the "old" technology they use to deliver HD channels today.

    So I'd just wait and see. If a HR54 is required, presumably Directv will upgrade those who sign up for 4K to that model. If it isn't required, by the time it is maybe something even better comes out. I don't really see the point of worrying about it now, unless you feel you must have everything ready for 4K the minute the channels go live.

    In the long run you will not only need a newer receiver, but you'll also need the LNB in your dish replaced. Those new LNBs aren't even out yet.
     
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    ep1974

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    Thank you. Will just wait and see how things play out.
     
  17. Dec 4, 2015 #2218 of 2220
    LWW

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    I was promised a 4K DVR and GENIE on 5 November if I would resign with them. I was promised that it wouldn't cost me a dime and no equipment changes would be required other than taking out my HR34 and hooking up my 4K GENIE DVR.

    I bought a 4K TV and have had 2 techs come to my house with a 4K client that they would gladly install, increasing my bill by $6.50 each month, and relocating my HR34 to another room and losing my hookup with an expensive surround sound system. They told me the 4K GENIE DVR wouldn't be available until January in this market, but it certainly did exist.

    I called DIRECTV customer no service and was told the tech was clueless. All they needed to do was install the client box and be out the door. It wouldn't cost me a dime and nothing else would change ... and the 4K GENIE DVR would be out soon and I would get one then "FREE." I was switched to voice verification and told my "FREE" 4K client would cost me $160.

    Back to customer no service, and they assured me that voice verification was wrong and it wouldn't cost me a dime. This time voice verification told me it would only cost me $106.

    Back to customer no service, and they assured me that voice verification was wrong and it wouldn't cost me a dime. This time VV agreed and they would send a tech back out.

    This tech actually had a clue and we shared that he had been through such nonsense with a number of customers recently. He had the same 4K client and the story was identical ... $6.50 a month if I wanted it, my old DVR had to be moved to another room.

    The bottom line is that the box doesn't exactly exist but DIRECTV will tell a customer anything to get them to sign up.
     
  18. Dec 4, 2015 #2219 of 2220
    patmurphey

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    There is a Genie for 4k, the HR54, but it will deliver 4k linear content only through a client, the C61. The HR54 is not yet in stock in all markets and there is no linear 4k content yet. The set up you were given is all that is necessary for the current 4k VOD content. All of this has been discussed thoroughly in the and other Satellite forums.
     
  19. Dec 4, 2015 #2220 of 2220
    toobs

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    It's too early to say how linear 4k content will work. We just have to wait to see.
     

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