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DIRECTV and Tivo to Launch new HD DVR in 2010

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Tom Robertson, Sep 3, 2008.

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  1. Mar 5, 2009 #2401 of 3658
    bonscott87

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    I say highly unlikely. It has been stated that this new DirecTivo will work with the current DirecTV networking infrastructure. Thus it will support whatever the DirecTV MRV is. DirecTV would certainly want *all* their receivers to talk to each other, Tivo or not.

    Maybe.

    I say NO. Again, not part of the DirecTV infrastructure.

    I'd say most likely YES.

    I say NO. Once again Tivo desktop is not part of the DirecTV infrastructure. I'm sure it will support the DirecTV media share and VOD though.

    NO. Not unless DirecTV supports it. Besides, it's easy enough to get Netflix to the DirecTV DVRs today so probably not.

    YES. Virtually every single set top box out there from cable, fiber and sat has picture in guide. The Tivo's, until the Comcast box, were the only ones that didn't do it.

    Well, the odds of mass appeal are low anyway no matter how many "YES" you have. The general user will be confused by any feature set comparison and if it costs more, even just $5, they will just go with whatever is cheapest. That has been the case for 10 years and won't change any time soon.
     
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    Sixto

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    If NO to TiVo MRV, TiVo2Go, TiVo Desktop, and Netflix then "yawn" and the port is a waste of time.
     
  3. Mar 5, 2009 #2403 of 3658
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    It'd be pretty ridiculous for them to cut off many of the Tivo features or to charge an exhorbitant price for it. Why even bother making something that nobody will buy?

    If its a hacked off product at a stupid price, I'll just buy a Tivo HD and hook it up to cable. So would a lot of other people.
     
  4. Mar 5, 2009 #2404 of 3658
    vikingguy

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    I agree if I am going to pay extra I want all the TIVO features. Now if the pricing is the same I can live with stripped down features for reliability of the TIVO software.
     
  5. Mar 5, 2009 #2405 of 3658
    Jhon69

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    DirecTV will offer both HDDVRs.;)
     
  6. Mar 5, 2009 #2406 of 3658
    Ken_F

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    Each year, technology improves to provide greater capability / functionality at an equal or lower price. There's no reason to expect the next iteration of the DirecTV DVR platform to be any different. Dish Network and DirecTV order their parts from the same distributors.

    The Broadcom BCM7405 is now shipping in volume. The BCM7405 is an enhanced version of the BCM7401/BCM7403 with:

    • Dual-core 400MHz MIPS32e rated at 1100 DMIPS
      vs BCM7401's single-core 300MHz MIPS32e rated at 450 DMIPS

    • DDR2-800 memory controller
      vs BCM7401's DDR400 memory controller

    • Secondary decoder for PIP display
      vs BCM7401's single decoder

    • Improved 2D graphics performance

    • Dual SATA interfaces
      vs BCM7401's single SATA interface

    • Dual ethernet MACs with integrated PHY
      vs BCM7401's single ethernet MAC

    • HDMI 1.3
      vs BCM7401's HDMI 1.1

    • Decoder support for DIVX 3.x/4.x/5.x/6.x

    • Support for Adobe Flash Lite 3.0 software
    Volume pricing on this part is comparable to the price of the BCM7401 in early 2008. The first shipping product to incorporate this chip is the 2Wire MediaPoint Player, also known as the Blockbuster STB. It's priced at $99 with $50 worth of free movies.

    All of Broadcom's BCM74xx SoCs are backward compatible, for the most part. Some issues are to be expected, but that's why these SoCs sample well before they ever show up in a shipping DVR.

    Don't be surprised to see this SoC in the Dish ViP921...and the next version of the DirecTV DVR platform.
     
  7. Mar 5, 2009 #2407 of 3658
    Tom Robertson

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    Perhaps, just perhaps some of these features will actually be improved by the DIRECTV and TiVo relationship.

    Mind you I do not have any whispers on this project, but I can guess out loud sometimes.

    I think Bonscott87's analysis is, as always, very good. I wonder tho if TiVo might be willing to change some of their features, improving them to the DIRECTV infrastructure, i.e. DLNA. That would make TiVo's products better, fit within the DIRECTV infrastructure, and make more of the features available to warrant the premium price (that some might be willing to pay)?

    Thinking out loud,
    Tom
     
  8. Mar 5, 2009 #2408 of 3658
    Sixto

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    you're a good guy Ken_F ... very informative posts ... good stuff ... gotta remember to save your posts ... very nice :)
     
  9. Mar 5, 2009 #2409 of 3658
    Sixto

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    IMHO ... TiVo MRV, TiVo2Go, TiVo Desktop (Music/Video/Photo), and TiVo Netflix are A+ right now ... IMHO.

    Add the TiVo Glo, HD GUI, DLB, all on a BCM7405 processor and you have a hot box.

    This all from a HR2x convert/believer. :)

    I'd trade away DLNA to allow recording movement (TiVo MRV). TiVo2Go is just flawless, you can take any recording on the road with you (awesome for long flights). TiVo Desktop is flawless and easy to use for Joe/Jane Doe (the photo app is a family favorite). And according to Tom Rogers the NetFlix app is getting rave reviews. The TiVo Glo remote is also a family favorite with tactile feedback and concurrent TV & A/V On/Off. And the return of DLB would be a favorite as well. DLB would have been a major savior tonight to catch the last 5 minutes of Idol that ran late.

    And would need most ALL of the above or I'm not sure I'd switch.

    Again, IMHO.
     
  10. Mar 5, 2009 #2410 of 3658
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    Oh I know man. I was seemingly asking if we'd get a full TiVo or a hack job like the old D-TiVo where the only obviou thing it has over the HR2x is DLB. I would get it just for that. Remember back when the D-TiVo came out, virtually no one had DVRs. Now you'd be hard pressed to find a cable system without them and lord knows Dish and D* have them.
    Exacta-mundo. At that point it's about fulfilling contracts and nothing more.
     
  11. Mar 6, 2009 #2411 of 3658
    harsh

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    Are we talking about the same TiVo that has been working feverishly on a cable DVR for going on three years?
     
  12. Mar 6, 2009 #2412 of 3658
    Mike Bertelson

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    Unless you know of another TiVo, then yes it's the very same TiVo. :rolleyes:
     
  13. Mar 6, 2009 #2413 of 3658
    wingrider01

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    The justification would be the additional work and coding required to push updates to specific boxes, since the TIVO overlay is touted as a premium service and the stock HR2X code will be the standard service and will still be the primaryt device sent out unless the end user specificly requests a TIVO software based unit.
     
  14. Mar 6, 2009 #2414 of 3658
    Steve

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    If you've never programmed, you may not be aware of the degree of difficulty difference between a port vs. a complete Java/middleware re-write from scratch offering the same TiVo functionality and experience. /steve
     
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    jacmyoung

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    You can say all you want, I only need to point out one thing, TiVo made a big point of the "significant higher fees" DirecTV must pay TiVo for such new DVR.

    In today's financial world, logic is the last thing one might rely on. Not to mention that all your above items are speculation, is there official confirmation that the new HDDVR will use exactly the same hardware as the 4-year-old HRs?

    I can come up with five things already without even much thinking, to make it more appealing yet cost more, a much much bigger harddrive, many more tuners than just two, something similar to Sling built in for remote internet playing, built in coax to ethernet, and built in wireless network capability with equally high speed capacity so no hard-wiring is necessary, please don't tell me you don't care for those.
     
  16. Mar 6, 2009 #2416 of 3658
    Doug Brott

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    TiVo only made $1/per sub the first time around .. $5/per sub would actually constitute "significantly higher fees" and is in line with what we've been suggesting.

    Bigger HDD? The HR23-700 already has 500GB .. Maybe next round will be larger, but maybe not .. That's still 100 hours of MPEG4 HD (more if TiVo reserves less than 100GB)

    More tuners .. won't happen

    Sling .. won't happen

    Coax to Ethernet .. unknown

    built in wireless .. won't happen
     
  17. Mar 6, 2009 #2417 of 3658
    Steve

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    The TiVo fees are monthly subscriber fees and have nothing to do with the hardware, which DirecTV is footing the bill for.

    Speaking for myself, I wish you would please try to constructively contribute to this thread, like Ken F, instead of seeding it with unsubstantiated theories or misinformation, apparently intended to provoke responses. /steve
     
  18. Mar 6, 2009 #2418 of 3658
    Steve

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    Actually, I'm guessing Dish went the whole 9-yards with the 922 and is actually using the top of the line BCM7420. I say this, because I believe it's the only chip that has "low RF" support, which is how they may be able to provide 2-way communication with the new remote, which can store back-ups of certain system setup information.

    Based on what I could find on the web, none of the other BCM CPU's of this type seem to offer this capability. /steve
     
  19. Mar 6, 2009 #2419 of 3658
    harsh

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    TiVo's code is their own and as long as it doesn't clash with DIRECTV's update protocol, they're golden. I suppose that it might even be Internet based in an effort to get users to make other TiVo services available. DIRECTV must juggle nine or more versions currently.
     
  20. Mar 6, 2009 #2420 of 3658
    jacmyoung

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    $1 is about how much D* pays TiVo for the current DirecTiVo DVRs which D* is dropping them like flies.

    I don't think the fee for the new DVR will be $5, maybe $2, but if it is indeed $5, I think D* will charge the sub more than $5, maybe up to $10.

    How many people will be willing to pay another $5 to $10/mo. if as you said none of the above will happen?

    If I were DirecTV, I would seriously reconsider this plan.

    Again, one must think one year from now. Are you sure a 2TB drive will not be helpful so all the Netflix HD movies can be automatically downloaded?
     
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