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DIRECTV and Tivo to Launch new HD DVR in 2010

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Tom Robertson, Sep 3, 2008.

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  1. Steve

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    And that's probably all we're gonna hear, until they're ready to start taking pre-orders. As t_h posted here:

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  2. t_h

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    M-cards are available in most areas of the country. First m-card in most areas is free, second one is ~2.50-4.00 depending on the local rate structure.

    If you're a live subscriber with any history with tivo, lifetime is $299 rather than $399. I have had a bunch of old series 1's with lifetime on them and they gave me the discounted rate on the tivo HD. On that unit that I got my dad, the m-card was free and the lifetime was $299. So, $500 up front ($199 for the tivo) and thats it.

    Not here, so must be region dependent. Any cable package, even analog, gives you a package discount. Where I live, cable internet is $58. Getting basic analog cable for $8 gives me the HSI for $42. Better pricing packages do require a digital subscription, but there is no stipulation to having to have a box.

    I used the heck out of my series 1's and got almost everything I paid for them and the lifetime back on ebay after 4+ years of heavy use.

    Way better than paying a bunch of money for a leased box and then getting nothing for them at the end. And you can open it up, stick your own disk drive in there, put a faster, quieter fan, spray paint it safety orange. Whatever you want. Its your box.

    I had six series 1's. Two had disk problems in their first month and were replaced at n/c. Four were still running with no problems four years later when I sold them. Two are still in use, almost 8 years later. I've replaced fans @ ~$5 each, put larger and larger hard drives in them, and replaced one power supply for about $15. Easier to fix than most PC's.

    Honestly, after hearing all the horror stories, I feared the cable/cablecard thing and thought the cable HD offerings would be lame. But my dad knows his tivo and I couldnt get him off of it to another DVR, so we took a spin with the tivo HD. Install went fine, took a few minutes to get the cable card working, and the HD channel picture quality is nice. Looking at the channel lineup, the only ones we watch that they didnt have in HD were all the kids animation channels like sprout and noggin. BFD...

    This is the problem directv will face with some of the user base thats still on the old directivo platforms or went to the HR and dont like it. If they charge another big up front fee and a big monthly fee for leased boxes, along with another 2 year commit, I'd just as soon buy my own tivo's, go to cable, probably pay a little more up front and a little more per month, and be done with it. The tivo platform on cable is pretty stable. I'm guessing the directv tivo platform will need 3-9 months to get the bugs worked out of it once it launches.

    Thats too long.
     
  3. Tallgntlmn

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    Just talked to them. This is an approximate quote: "We don't have a timeline for the TiVo yet, but I wouldn't expect it until early next year some time."

    Again, that is paraphrased. She did make it very clear that it is not expected until next year.
     
  4. Tom_S

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    Judging from TiVo's past history of delays, I would not expect it in 2009. They must have the slowest coders in the world.
     
  5. t_h

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    True, speed isnt their virtue. On the other hand the box tends to actually record 99.9% of your shows correctly 99.9% of the time, and they've rarely had to reboot all the tivo's in the middle of the day to apply code fixes to screwed up firmware updates.

    In fact, I dont think they've ever had to do that.

    So maybe slow and easy wins the race in the long run.
     
  6. keenan

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    I'd venture to say that when it comes to software/firmware that is the best way to go. We as users nowadays have become very complacent with accepting sub-standard quality in so many things and software/firmware is one of the biggest abusers of that complacency.

    In my experience TiVo usually has about 2 major updates per year(HD capable boxes), but the box is near bullet-proof when those updates are applied. TiVo also has extensive beta-testing programs on many different aspects of the service all year long. Individual beta programs run from a few months to several and then are slowly merged into a release candidate which is also tested and then limited released, then every sub finally gets updated.

    DirecTV on the other hand seems to take a more brute force approach, pushing out software/firmware "before it's time" while continuing to work out the bugs while subs are dealing with them as well.

    Different approaches, but I like the TiVo style better, even if features do take longer to be rolled out.
     
  7. Brennok

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    I like Tivo's style better but that is only after I have it lol. Up till then I could definitely go with Directv's style of just get it out there.

    I hate waiting especially when nothing comes out to tide you over. It is like seeing a trailer for the big summer blockbuster 2 years from now.
     
  8. Jhon69

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    My HR10-250 did a RBR by itself and this was not the same time the HR2xs and R22s did.

    Since I activated 6.4a I did a clear and delete and all my channel logos that my HR10-250 had are now gone.But with 6.3f I could do a clear and delete with no problems.Also having other issues with my HR10-250 but recording the right program hasn't been one of my issues.

    Reset receiver today got some channel logos back in guide.
     
  9. Booster!

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    I called DirecTv today to inquire about getting another HD DVR (HR21 or whatever the current flavor is..) - the rep told me if I wait until "next month", the new Tivo DVR would be available.. ??

    Nevertheless, I told him I would wait...
     
  10. loudo

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    You should have asked what was the model of the new unit. I haven't heard of any new units being released. Just the one of this discussion, scheduled for later this year??
    :welcome_s
     
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    Don't hold your breath. Another classic example of a misinformed CSR. UNLESS he was referring to the HR23. AS far as THE TIVO dvr is concerned, I hold out no hope until Q1 2010 realistically. :nono2:
     
  12. Steve

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    I'm still betting September/October '09 timeframe. That will be exactly a year from the announcement. I honestly believe it's at least in alpha test as we speak, so even a summer '09 release wouldn't surprise me.

    I know... I"m nuts! :lol: /steve
     
  13. Booster!

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    I asked about the model - he couldn't tell me anything about it, but that it was the new "Tivo" model. It seemed like he was kinda was urging me to wait as if it was something cool. Who knows. I've never actually had a DTV rep tell me anything I hadn't seen on here for months. (This was a level 2/cust. relations/retentions person tho..)

    ...you'd think if it was that close to market, we'd have pictures on the net, press stuff, marketing, etc....
     
  14. bonscott87

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    Yea, well, he's wrong. The Tivo CEO himself has stated end of year, they hope. So unless he misspoke...
     
  15. Tom Robertson

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    Talk about under-promise and over-deliver :)
     
  16. Steve

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    Thanks to Sarbanes-Oxley and the SEC, that's a good practice for CEO's of publicly traded companies these days. :) /steve
     
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    The summer date would go along with what a couple random installers told me. But the CSR I spoke with on Friday said no timeline and probably not until next year. The one I placed my order with yesterday intimated the same thought. I asked in context of "can i upgrade to the TiVo based unit that is coming out even though I am upgrading now? I know I'll want my dual live buffers back."

    Yeah, I finally broke down and ordered a HR2x. My broken tuner probably screwed up another recording tonight because I forgot to focus the second tuner. GRRRR. Almost makes me wish my install was Tuesday instead of next Tuesday.
     
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    The question is: Will the beta testing be done by DirecTV or TIVO? As the original press release stated, "DIRECTV and TiVo will work together to develop a version of the TiVo® service for DIRECTV's broadband-enabled HD DVR platform."
     
  20. Steve

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    I recently spent some time combing through the TiVo Community Forum archives to see what folks were talking about prior to the release of the HR10-250, and there wasn't so much as a "peep" about beta testing after the 2003 announcement and prior to the 2004 HR10-250 "pre-order" threads! TiVo and/or DirecTV really kept a tight lid on whatever beta testing was being conducted. /steve
     
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