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Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Tom Robertson, Sep 3, 2008.
Please provide a link to support your "claims".
Thank you ... I was going to ask the same. I first learned of a delay from reports on the TiVo SEC filing, and then in a quarterly call DIRECTV repeated the informatino about the TiVo delay. I've seen nothing on Engadget or even Swanni that DIRECTV is the cause of the delay ...
I always assumed the new DirecTiVo was just going to be a port of the TiVoHD software to the HR2x hardware, but based on public comments Chase Carey made the other day... that the new DirecTiVo would not be a "different experience", TiVo could instead be writing a software layer that co-exists with the existing HR2x software, similar to what they did with Comcast and Cox. All speculation on my part, but if this is true, TiVo could conceivably be waiting for DirecTV to finalize any new features they're planning on rolling out in the near future.
Otherwise, if it could have just been a port to the existing platform, they really dropped the ball! So maybe there are reasons for the delay out of TiVo's control that we just don't know about. /steve
Maybe as soon as MRV and DLB get ironed out they'll slap a Tivo sticker on it and charge another $6. Perhaps current testing is actually Tivo SW beta.
I mean as long as we're speculating....
"Common knowledge"? Really? What the heck are you talking about? This is Tivo's game to play. There's no reason why DirecTV would want to "force" any sort of delay.
Lot of recent activity for a thread that had been dormant for a month. Still no TiVo box though.
Perhaps you should stop by the CE forums more often.
But I'm not interested in dealing with CE releases, or being a paying beta tester, or having to plan time around software release windows, and so on. I just want something that works without having to work at it, or risking that it goes wrong and ends up with hell to pay when my wife can't watch her shows and recordings.
it is called "common sense" a quality i see is rarely used here.
You currently have HR23's and below with hdm1 1.1 or etc and usb 2.0 on them
when the TIVO was first announced it was thought USB 3.0 and HDM1 1.4 would be coming out by the announced 2009 launch of the new TIVO
when that was not shown to happen DIRECTV had no choice to delay the project as why would you release your new flagship DVR & Whole House solution with very old tech (these TIVO's and whole house represent their most expensive investment and products ever) and within a year have to put new boxes out with the major new hdmi and usb (this is different than the small tech changes that happen)
as I said THINK
I highly doubt that USB 3.0 or HDMI 1.4 have anything to do with any delays. But you're certainly entitled to THINK whatever you like
Your previous post indicated that you believed it was vaporware, but you were invited to visit the CE forum where you would have learned that it does indeed exist, and is currently being tested. That's far from vaporware. I can not think of one feature that was not in the final week of a CE release that did not also make it into a national release, so without a doubt, all you have to do is wait for CE testing to finish and you'll have MRV (ability to share media across devices) this year. It's not vaporware, it's on the way to you, courtesy of DIRECTV and all the great testing of DBSTalk CE'ers ...
It may be in CE, but I've been hearing for a pretty long time it's RSN, and yet none of it has materialized outside of testing. To me it is vapor until it's in a national release. I've seen no guarantees from DirecTV or even a public announcement that it will be made available. Until it is on my box, the semantics of it being or not being vaporware don't really matter.
RSN? Regional Sports Network?
True - those who consider features or services as "vaporware" will not be satisifed even with evidence that proves it exists, as they only care about when they can have it. That is your right, but please do consider as you explore options other than DIRECTV that it will be a feature that DIRECTV is actively working on and members of this forum are publicly testing for delivery to you this year. Good luck, and with no malice intended, I hope you will be pleasantly surprised sometime this year.
I can think of one, not to "force" any delay, but simply not so interested in rolling out the new TiVo DVR at all.
We know D* is working hard on their own DVRs, adding a lot of new functions mostly in the CE programs, that has to cost some R&D money. Why try so hard if the new TiVo DVR is to provide similar functionalities and mostly done by TiVo?
Maybe because D* does not like the idea of paying TiVo "a significantly higher monthly fee" and instead likes to focus on its own DVR development.
I know some say but what if those TiVo fans are willing to pay the extra $6? The question is not whether there are those who will pay the extra $6, but how many, and at what mass threshold will it make D* willing to spend the manufacturing and marketing dollars on such effort.
I don't think TiVo is trying to blow it, just that there is nothing TiVo can do if D* is not providing the necessary hardware and R&D support for them to do it.
Logic tells me if this project gets delayed, it is likely that D* does not care to move it quickly, not TiVo.
Given that DIRECTV and TiVo have been using USB on a surprisingly limited basis, I'm not sure what meat dish SuperSpeed USB might bring to the vegetarian potluck.
Given that HDMI 1.4 was announced just four days ago, it will be years before anyone even tries to figure out what it might be used for in terms of home entertainment.
And how many people are really going to upgrade their entire systems to handle the new HDMI or USB. My receiver does HDMI 1.3 but none of my other equipment does. I am not going to replace what I have for a marginal improvement over something that I may not even notice a difference with.
RSN = Real Soon Now
I'm old enough to know that no matter how real something seems, until it is a production release there are no guarantees it'll ever see the light of day. I'm in the software industry and there have been many, many instances of things that were in beta test and even reasonably mature and close to production quality that never made it to release, for various reasons.
It wouldn't shock me at all if DirecTV abruptly and suddenly abandoned stuff in CE, e.g. as a result of recession budget-tightening, maybe even to shift to a single focus of working on HD TIVO. I could easily see them freeze the HR2x feature set and abandon further development to save money.
I doubt you know for a fact the CE stuff will be released. That DirecTV is actively working on it is still no guarantee. I hope you are correct, and it will be released before I decide on something else, but I don't think it's fact that it will.
I have been following this thread and this is probably the closest to making sense of why the delay. Other than giving consumers the option of a Tivo box or in-house DVR, seems that the DVR, with future updates could run most if not all services run on a Tivo. I was doing a lot of reading online on Tivo's services and such and find myself not needing their box with what I already have.
I think its more of an issue for those that already have Tivo wanting to keep Tivo-like services. If I can get my HD-DVR to do everything I have read that Tivo could do then I wont buy Tivo since I wasn't charged for the STB and the package includes HD and DVR. We will see what they come up with. Interesting to follow.
I must have been posting while you were typing this. In recession time it might make more sense to abandon Tivo for now than having 1000+ forum members testing CE at no cost other than code to Directv. But again I could be very wrong. In house sometimes is cheaper and sometimes outsourcing to the guy that is ready to implement the services your looking for is cheaper. All depends on how much R&D is really costing with the board members testing and retesting much more than I have seen in any company.