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Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Tom Robertson, Sep 3, 2008.
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Hey, where the heck was I that I missed this yesterday? Just when I was looking into ditching the HR10's and throwing away all the serial cables I built.
Where do I sign up for the beta of the new units and the HR2* testing?
I've said this before, and others have commented on it, but I still think DirecTV needs to tell TiVo, we're going with OUR DVRs, but if you want to work with us, you can create your own boxes, sell them, and provide support for them.
That's just my opinion, nothing to get your panties in a bunch over...
Yesterday the line for signing up was already around the block. Today it's passed the restaurant called "Eats" at the edge of town.
Remember to bring your camping gear...the line will be in place for a very long time. (like 10-12 months...)
Plus, I'm sure TiVo's demands lessened CONSIDERABLY because a LARGE majority of their customers came from DirecTV and I'm sure a lot were disappearing as they moved up to HD. All-in-all its a good move for both sides and its a huge win for customers because they now have a choice. My only concerns are pricing and how the pricing will be different among equipment and the subscription fees.
If the HR2x had no stability issues and DLB, I'd probably opt for it over a device that'll take 2 years to reach maturity after it's intro.
I'm not sure you're both seeing what I'm seeing?
The links I posted showed a VERY (IMO) MODIFIED TiVo GUI.
For one thing, the general GUI showed a less "cutesy" (to use a term bandied about for TiVo's GUI) look. For another, did anybody notice the PIG, not to mention PIJAE (Picture In Just About Everything)? How about the look of the guide? It showed a look different from both the DirecTV style TiVo guide (and not just the PIG) and the Grid style guide on TiVo Stand-Alones? Did you check out the TiVo "peanut" remote from Comcast? How about those additional buttons?
I just don't see it. DirecTV has spent quite a bit of effort bringing all the hardware in house and I think they are going to stick with that model. Regardless, hasn't that already been confirmed? It could be a new D* box, and not the HR-2X, I just think that would be a big mistake and completely unnecessary.
It depends on how you look at it. DirecTV has MULTIPLE manufacturers for their boxes. The only thing DirecTV did was bring their software/firmware "in house" and brand all the boxes DirecTV. If TiVo is doing the software for this new model, the only thing "in house" about it would be the brand name, and I don't see why the box couldn't be called a "DirecTV" STB ala the HR10-250?
As I said, it's just my opinion, so confirmation doesn't really matter one way or the other.
Interesting, I look at that poll and walk away with a completely different perspective. I see that over 1/3 would pay extra, just to have TiVo on their DVR. To me, that's fairly decent penetration. Is that any worse than most other services they offer? Look at how many people clamor to get more HBO channels. If it was announced that DirecTV would be offering all the other HBO channels, then a poll was started asking how much additional (over the current HBO fee) they'd pay to get those channels, do you think it'd be over 1/3? Do things like Sunday Ticket, Extra Innings, etc., get that kind of penetration?
You can easily make the argument that DirecTV is already charging extra for DVR service, and we shouldn't have to pay an additional fee to get those features. Many have already made that argument, and voted that they wouldn't pay any premium. Yet despite that valid argument, over 1/3 would pay extra to get "TiVo" (whatever that actually means) vs. the "standard" DVR service they currently have. To me, that seems fairly significant.
Oh its differnet from my DirecTivo no doubt about it and yes I did note the PIG. The image I was talking about was http://www.engadgethd.com/photos/comcast-tivo-in-pictures/609725/ To me thats a freakin horrid waste of screen. Its time the GUI folks realize, we arent all on 19" sets. Proportional screens should be possible on HD DVR.
I had multiple TiVo-branded IRDs and swapped them all for HR2x units in the past year. While I agree that TiVo units are significantly superior than many other DVRs (I have also used Comcast and TWC units), other than a few software capabilities, I really see little advantage to a TiVo-branded D* DVR over the HR2x.
Can we list the additional features we would want out of a TiVo-branded unit that is not already in the works for the HR2x???
What I am afraid of is that D* disables certain features of the HR2x, e.g., DoD, 30 sec skip, MediaShare, and tells us that we have to "upgrade" to the TiVo-branded unit for an extra "significant" fee to access these features.
At the end of the day, I think all of you that are hell-bent on being one of the first users of the new unit are really not thinking. How can you know (1) the feature set, (2) the pricing or (3) what the HR2x will have at that time?
I really see no advantage for D* in this, unless of course, even after paying TiVo the "significant" fees, D* gets to keep a "significant" portion to themselves, i.e., more than enough to offset the additional support issues.
There are the fluff features... Youtube, rhapsody, etc.
The absolute biggest thing that prevented me from going to the HR2x is parental controls. KidZone is absolutely bulletproof. I can hand my kids the remote and not worry one bit.
Perfect timing for my Series 3 3 year prepaid to expire...
Glad you waited? Likely the only reason this is coming to light is because of the people who DIDN'T wait. Those of use who were long time DirecTV subs and cancelled, telling them we wanted our TiVo's and were switching to cable.
If everyone just took their HR2x quietly or kept using their HR10, they would never have incentive to do this.
Sorry for the delay but with TiVo there is a much faster way to accomplish your goal. From a recording, hit the Guide button, that pauses the recording and brings you to live TV and the Guide. When you are done with the Guide, hit the back (left) arrow and it takes you to the recording coverscreen, hit play and it takes you to where you left off in the recording.
No need to be afraid ..
This is what I'm hoping for ..... a new Tivo box that can access D* signals and be supported by Tivo. If nothing else I'd be able to transfer my lifetime onto it. That would be sweet.
As I see it, it takes a piece out of cable subs who subscribe just to get to use a Tivo box be it the TivoHD or S3. There's a very unhappy group who would love to leave the cable companies and the CC and SDV debacle behind and get D* programming with Tivo DVR.
I don't see where D* has support issues if Tivo sells the box.
Yeah, I understood your point on the wasted screen space. As someone who works in graphic design, I see lots of wasted space on both the TiVo GUI and DirecTV+ GUI... which is not to say that the GUI should be CRAMMED full of information, or the fonts be too small for someone on a 19" or smaller TV, but rather making better use of the screen space they have. That being said, neither one rarely bothers me.
I was mainly commenting on your first comment (that the GUI closely mimics the TiVo and DirecTiVo interfaces), as I disagreed.... which leads me to the conclusion (since TiVo RARELY makes changes to their GUI) that some choices may have been made due to hardware limitations, but others (PIG) may have been made due to Comcast's insistance, and given that DirecTV is in a seat of power (ala Comcast) compared to TiVo, I see no reason why DirecTV couldn't get TiVo to alter CERTAIN SHARED GUI functions to more closely resemble DirecTV's current GUI, or their new one coming out next year... to keep something of the "consistency" between GUIs people keep referring to here.
My 3 year prepaid expires 3Q of next year. We'll see!
I doubt that you'd be able to transfer your lifetime onto it.
When I ordered my HR10-250 for $900 in April 2004 (but didn't receive it until August) I was not able to transfer my SA TiVo's lifetime subscription (grandfathered since August 1999) to the HR10. I still have the lifetime subscription, though, so I really hope you're right.