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DIRECTV and Tivo to Launch new HD DVR in 2010

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Tom Robertson, Sep 3, 2008.

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  1. davring

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  2. Jack_Skellington

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    You're right, there is a reason. The reason is the HR-21 is not a reliabe DVR. There is excellent signal strengh on both tuners. I'm using a new dish setup that was installed with the HR-21 a couple of months ago. There's no reason for a weak signal.

    Luckily I set my series link for "True Blood" on HBO East, so I set it to record on HBO West later. I just hope it will actually record this time. As for "Fringe" I'm out of luck and need to try to catch it online now. So can't wait to get TiVo back next year.
     
  3. Stuart Sweet

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    I'm merging this discussion with the other discussion of the upcoming DIRECTV-Tivo.
     
  4. Doug Brott

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    The Fringe is a repeat of the Season Premiere from last week .. so if you set "First Run" then you would not have gotten tonight's episode.
     
  5. Jack_Skellington

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    Nope that's not it. I missed the Series Premiere, and had heard they were repeating it this Sunday. I didn't set a series link. I just set a one time recording of that specific showtime tonight. The HR-21 just decided it wasn't going to record it, even thought it said it was. In fact the stupid thing is still showing "Fringe" and "True Blood" in the To Do List for 7:00 PM.
     
  6. harsh

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    That's where the TiVo SEC filing comes into play. Read it carefully.
     
  7. inkahauts

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    By saying that they have not determined pricing tells me that they haven't decided HOW much more to charge for the Tivos, not if they will charge more...
     
  8. wingrider01

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    Isn't that the increase in cost that Directv has to pay Tivo? Have never seen any company not pass on that fee increase + a profit margin increase.
     
  9. MX727

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    This presumes that D* has made this move just for the current customers. If, instead, they want to attract more customers from E* and cable who are familiar with TiVo, it may not fit into their plan if they charge more than the 50 cents for the service.
     
  10. Syzygy

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    Please don't believe that your experience is typical. You should make sure you get a replacement HR21. (If they want to make you pay, then I suggest getting a service contract and waiting a month.)

    I've been a TiVo lover for 9 years and an HR21-100 user (and hater) for a month. Even with all my HR21's faults, I haven't noticed it failing to record a show that I've requested. I know that others have, and it may be the software after all, but still... why not see if it's the box?
     
  11. spartanstew

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    Two month of flawless service and one night where it didn't record and you're willing to throw it all in (and go on a mini tirade)? If that was everyone's attitude, tivo would have been dead long ago.



    How are you accessing your To Do List for events in the past?
     
  12. Lee L

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    Well, if the past shows are still in there, it is a problem that has happened to a few people before. It has happened to me as well. I have even seen shows marked "Yesterday" in the TO DO. A Reboot will fix it, but of course, the shows are not there.


    And Syzygy, just because you have not had a problem, does not mean they do not exist. Even DirecTV admits the box can screw up and not record things it is supposed to, otherwise, why do they have fixes for things like "stability" anmd recording robustness" in their software releases. I am willing beleive that there are people who have never had a problem, why marginalize your opinion by not beleiving or admitting that some people do?
     
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  14. bonscott87

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    But so now you are doing the same thing by saying "my XXXX hasn't had any problems so obviously they are all perfect and this stupid DirecTV XXXX is junk"

    How one forgets a decade of Tivo problems documented at the Tivo Community Forum. DirecTivo's and Tivo in general have had all sorts of problems over the years and still do. You didn't, awesome. But how is your experience any different then people that have had no problems with their HR20/21 despite the fact it does have problems for others?

    Come on people. Tivo had and has problems. HR20/21 had and has problems.
    Tivo is not the second coming and the perfect DVR. It's just not. And neither is the DirecTV DVRs.
    Who cares if *you* have had a perfect Tivo. That means nothing about the product as a whole or what a future product might be.

    Period, end of story.
     
  15. SledgeHammer

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    Sorry if this has already been covered, I can't really read through 1200+ posts :D.

    What exactly is the point of this? That question is coming from a Tivo whore. I kept my HR10-250 til the last possible second and hated the HR20 just cuz it wasn't a Tivo.

    But I'm wondering what the point of getting back in bed with Tivo is? DTV has spent a ton of money developing and deploying the HR20/HR21 DVRs. Sure it has bugs and its missing DLB and MRV for those that still are waiting for that.

    Is DTV going to drop the HR2x platform? I'm sure its cheaper to license the Tivo platform then to develop a DVR in house.

    I can see them doing a "standard HiDef DVR" + a "super duper networkable HiDef DVR", but then, I'd pick one platform and have the standard one be a feature subset. Having 2 completely different platforms? DTV support can barely handle this one.
     
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    Evidently, you didn't read my whole post. I clearly wrote, "I know that others have" [noticed it failing to record a show]. Why were you so quick to jump to an erroneous conclusion rather than reading the rest of my post?

    As for fixes for things like "stability" -- that's a pet peeve of mine. As a software debugger and fixer, I would never have gotten away with telling my boss or even my co-workers that I had been working on the "stability" or "robustness" of the product without any further explanation. But that's all we users are entitled to know?
     
  17. jdspencer

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    Has anyone heard the status of "better than DLB"?

    Could this new DVR be it?
     
  18. Syzygy

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    I totally agree, and I think you just might have answered your own question. The point, it seems to me, is to stop the internal bleeding that comes from having to support and trying to fix a hopelessly screwed-up project. As you suggest, license the Tivo platform and forget about the in-house DVR (after a suitable grace period).

    After all this [needless] expenditure of time and money, evidently the parent company still thinks it makes sense to can the "DVR+" in favor of TiVo's "++DVR". To me, that shows how badly the HR2x software has failed -- and how little promise is seen in the possiblility of its being saved.

    Software designers and writers understand very well that any large piece of code eventually reaches a point where it can no longer be fixed without breaking something else. That point is reached sooner if (1) the language is C or a variant thereof, (2) the design was flawed from the start, necessitating sweeping changes or kludgy workarounds, and/or (3) some of the programmers are incompetent.

    BTW, I'm a TiVo whore too. I too kept my HR10-250 until the last possible moment, and I still hate the stupidity of my HR21. Furthermore, I still have my trusty SD-DTiVo. My wife wouldn't consider relinquishing it, and now I won't either -- even though it serves a 30" glass widescreen HDTV.
     
  19. spartanstew

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    Well, it'll take 1200 posts to answer those questions. Nobody really knows for sure the whys or hows. If you want to get some ideas of what people THINK, you'll need to read all the posts.
     
  20. SledgeHammer

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    I'm in software and I have to disagree. When C and especially C++ was "en-vouge", programmers were a lot more clever and understood the theory behind things. With C# and .NET that is no longer the case. Everything is over engineered and nobody understands the theory behind things, nobody cares about performance anymore, etc. In fact, I mentioned performance issues to my manager about our software and was pretty much told to f*ck off and quit wasting time. "Performance improvements do not generate revenue" is what I was told. Another problem is that a lot of stuff is written overseas (India, Chile, etc) where programmers are not as skilled. The way they are taught over there (and my company has the same problem since we outsource 50% of our dev to India) is to crank out code as fast as humanly possible, ship it, THEN start testing and debugging.

    Anyways #1, being a Tivo whore myself, I will admit that I find the live video window much more valuable then I did DLB. I used DLB *ALOT*. But the live video window in the guides & menus is a way more practical feature. Of course, having both is ideal, but between the two, I'll take the live video window.

    I really don't think the HR20 is that bad of a platform, but I'd rather they stablize the platform rather then add eye candy features first.

    Anyways #2, the only thing that can kill a project is when the developers stop caring. Thats kind of where we are at my company (and my last company as well).

    Hard to say if thats the atmosphere at DTV.
     
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