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DIRECTV and Tivo to Launch new HD DVR in 2010

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Tom Robertson, Sep 3, 2008.

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  1. jacmyoung

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    I think the way to look at the limitation using the current DirecTiVo model is, since D* is paying TiVo only $0.89/mo., D*'s TiVo subs only get limited features compared to the standalone TiVo subs.

    It is likely the new DirecTiVo will not materialize reading between the lines, but if it does happen some day, the model will be the same, D* pays maybe $1.25/mo, D* TiVo subs will not have to pay $12.95/mo., but also will not get the same rich features.
     
  2. bakerfall

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    The 50 season pass limit is an issue with the D* DVR OS, not a decision they've made. You can have over 50 on old D* Tivos and I would almost guarantee you'll be able to have them on the new ones.
     
  3. Doug Brott

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    I do believe this will be the same hardware as the HR2x .. either in it's present for or maybe as a new box. But still, the TiVo would be TiVo. If they fall down with their offering it will be TiVo falling short.
     
  4. Albie

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    TIVO has already stated the deal is for "significantly more" than the current deal so I would imagine more in the $5+ per month range. If so I can easily see D* charging at least double what we pay now for DVR service to have the TIVO experience.
     
  5. t_h

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    I wouldnt see much reason to develop an entirely new hardware platform. The hd tivo has some things in common with the directv HR.

    Tivo could either add a pair of directv tuners, access card and mpeg4 hw to their hd tivo and retrofit the software to handle those, or just use the HR20 and do approximately the same software retrofit. Seems like a whole lot less work to do the latter with about the same results.

    The series 4 tivo is supposed to have hardware mpeg4 capabilities, so the software to do that piece of it is probably already done. Tivo has prior code to handle access cards and directv tuners, although only SD.

    Seems the path of least resistance is a tivo s/w image for the HR. Whether it could be field upgraded or only sold as a complete package is a mystery.

    But if its going to be $10-12 per home or $8-10 a box, it doesnt matter, it'll fall on its face. If I really wanted the tivo experience and faced that sort of price structure, I'd buy an HD tivo with lifetime, hook it up to cable and be done with it for 6-8 years.
     
  6. Sir_Q

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    Wonder what they would do with us few that still have Lifetime DVR still on our accounts. :)
     
  7. Richierich

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    Well, if it has 4 Tuners and MPEG-4 with the TIVO Bells and Whistles such as Swivel Search and on a Directv Platform with DLB and it costs me $10 a month, where do I sign up???
     
  8. Jhon69

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    I would guess your Lifetime would continue through DirecTV's DVR+'s DVR plan.But would change under the new HD DirecTivo's plan which will cost more(Just a guess).;)
     
  9. JTWestside

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    1. TiVo wants to be out of hardware. Why do you think they want to win the patent thing with E* so bad? It's so they can hold licensing fees over every one else. So don't expect new tivo hardware. The press releases already mentioned in this thread are clear it will run on existing hardware as well.

    http://www.multichannel.com/blog/The_Satellite_Dish/10728-The_Fight_Rages_On.php

    2. Don't expect 10-15 dollars a month for the TiVo box. If DIRECTV thought they could get that they would be charging it for the HR. Just look around here the HR IS the greatest thing since sliced bread (right?) so they should be able to charge a premium. :rolleyes: If anything it will be a $1 or so, or nothing will be passed on(to the customer) and it will all be on the back end and DIRECTV will just phase out their development all together when the TiVo is successful.
     
  10. Richierich

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    I figure there will be an Upfront Charge for the Initial Lease of the Directivo unit and probably a $5 charge per month per unit.
     
  11. ATARI

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  12. newsposter

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    I assumed directv told tivo what they can and cannot do. If that's not that case, fantastic. We will have VOD on demand on the tivo with broadband, faster speed, and all the other things the HR20 does well but on our beloved tivo machines with unlimited SP, dual buffers and hopefully they will bring back the tivo animation (tivo 0 on T60). :joy:

    you are a fortunate one to have great cable PQ. Many of us have sucky cable systems. I ran my side by side with directv for a month when i got it at first. directv won by a longshot!
     
  13. Richierich

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    DIRECTV is running the show as regards to this New MPEG-4 DVR and TIVO is just supplying their software on top of Directv's Platform as has been stated in their Press Release about this collaboration.
     
  14. Lee L

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    I have posted this before, but the Press release makes mention of a "new box". We can argue as much as we want about what the whole thing means, but based on the DirecTV press release, there is not enough info to determine with any certainty whether the box will be a DirecTV Piece of Hardware like the HR 20-23 series that can also run TiVo software or if it will be a TiVo produced box like the HR10-250.


    (Bold is my emphasis)

     
  15. t_h

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    I cant say that its great, and I wouldnt run them side by side. All I can say is that the cable HD picture my dad gets looks a lot better than SD. Minus the audio gleeps and blurps, the gray screens, the lockups and the twice weekly reboots. I might be willing to trade off some PQ for reliability.
     
  16. JTWestside

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    You are correct. However, with the fact that TiVo as a company is moving towards a model of developing software and not boxes, and with the fact that this is the model that they are using with other providers (COMCAST) A sane person would hypothesize that they would put their software on the DIRECTV box.

     
  17. Doug Brott

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    It will be DIRECTV hardware ..
     
  18. Doug Brott

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    This is in the ballpark of what I would expect to be the case, but really, we don't know anything at this point. Heck, the whole project could end up getting scrubbed based on the information we have at this point.
     
  19. Doug Brott

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    DIRECTV and TiVo already cross-license technology. Remember, DIRECTV now own all of the Replay TV Patents putting it in a much better position than some of the other vendors (including Echostar).

    Even if the HR is considered "barely good enough" by someone, I imagine it would take a lot for many folks to move to TiVo for $10-15/month. If the economics mean that TiVo has to charge that much more for their DVR, then they probably should just stop now as I doubt they'll get enough subscribers to make it worthwhile. I do believe there will be an upcharge, but it will have to be reasonable. The problem is that I think you will find that the HR would win out in many cases even if the price were zero .. as the price goes above zero, the number of TiVo wins goes down.
     
  20. RaceTripper

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    I'm in that camp. All this is a discretionary expense, and this is a time when people are not increasing their budgets for that. While I would love to see improvements over the current HRs if it costs me more I'm not likely to go for it, and doesn't matter if the extra expense is "worth it." Most people in this economic climate will stand pat with what is good enough. If D* wants to do Tivo as a premium service over the current HR service, they are going to need to find something to make it highly compelling over the normal offering, something that is more than just satisfying the Tivo fans.
     
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