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Directv announces 2019 date for dropping MPEG2 SD

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by slice1900, Apr 26, 2016.

  1. Apr 26, 2016 #1 of 413
    slice1900

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    According to Solid Signal blog, Directv has announced that 2019 will be when MPEG2 SD broadcasts cease, and all non-HD receivers become doorstops.

    http://forums.solidsignal.com/content.php/5483-THE-END-IS-COMING-DIRECTV-announces-end-of-SD-service

    Does anyone know the source of this? Was it announced at the Revolution conference earlier this month, some sort of Directv communique to dealers etc. or did Stuart get it from contacts within Directv? Curious if anyone has further details. The discussion about satellites running out of fuel in that blog entry is a bit confusing. The only satellite with fuel life expiring within the next five years is D4S, which if used at all it is just for some SD spot beams. The CONUS transponders from 101 will continue on, and presumably be switched over to carrying HD channels. That would make those HD channels a bit more resistant to rain fade, and allow easier/cheaper reception of them in an RV.

    Anyone know anything definite about whether this will be a transition by market or by channel/package or will all MPEG2 SD be kept pretty much as is and shut down all at once?

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    mwdxer

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    2019? That is still 3 years away. I wonder where Dish's plans go regarding MPEG4? I guess anything that is still in SD, will still go with MPEG4?
     
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    Mark Holtz

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    My guess is that anyone who still has a SD receiver at that time will get a HD receiver that is capable of sending a SD signal.
     
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    longrider

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    All HD receivers are capable of downrezzing and if necessary output a composite video signal. NTSC RF modulation is all you lose.

    My understanding is they will shut off SD locals market by market giving the people in that market a push to upgrade. My guess is that all the most popular HD channels will move to 101. While this gives some help in rain fade it will be a big boost to the RV market as all the current in-motion systems will now be good for HD
     
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    DBSSTEPHEN

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    It did not say that they will be getting rid of mpeg-2 SD only. It said that all SD channels will be disappearing including mpeg-4 SD channels
     
  6. Apr 26, 2016 #6 of 413
    slice1900

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    They can't get rid of MPEG4 SD, as the ones that are MPEG4 SD are the only version of those channels. They would get rid of dozens of CONUS and hundreds of locals if they dropped MPEG4 SD.
     
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    dpeters11

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    Yeah, I think there was a misunderstanding in a comment on the blog as well. This doesn't mean the end of SD channels, it's the end of MPEG2 SD channels.
     
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    DBSSTEPHEN

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    Why would you think that all the current channels that are mpeg-4 SD have HD feeds DirecTV just don't carry the HD feeds for those channels at this time and more likely will add them around that time in HD
     
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    KyL416

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    Even in 2019, not everything will be available in HD. There will still be SD only locals, especially independents in major markets like NYC, LA and Philly where they lease out multiple subchannels to other broadcasters (i.e. WMBC/63 in NYC). There will also still be SD only niche channels, SD Only religious/non-profit channels, as well as the numerous international channels with no HD feeds since they originate from countries where their digital transition focused on having more channel choices for free vs having everything possible in HD or are government funded and their budget can change with every election, so getting HD C-Band feeds across the world isn't an option.

    Plus there's contractual issues where even if something is available in HD, they can't add it until the contract is up for renewal.
     
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    I remember, whether it was 2012 or 2013, that DirecTV was going to add everything available in HD, but carried only in SD, in high def by 2016.
     
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    KyL416

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    The only reference to 2016 was from that infamous out of context quote that was full of holes.
     
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    mkdtv21

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    So this means then end of mpeg2 not SD in 2019 correct?
     
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    I for one would read into it as the end of mpeg2 and the end of two versions of a channel. It'll either be Hi Definition or if there is no hd it'll be a mpeg4 version in SD. But no more SD duplicates of Hi Definition channels.
     
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    mkdtv21

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    So I guess if the shut off is 2019 they would have to start the transition process of getting everyone new dishes and hardware quite a bit before that. Maybe next year or the next will start seeing the process begin. I would certainly hope that Directv will upgrade these customers for free since they will be forced into this. I would also hope 2019 will be the year for the end of the hd access fee as it would be pointless if there are no more sd duplicates of hd channels. Here's hoping.
     
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    I guess DirecTV will stop charging the $10.00 fee for HD service once the transition is complete.
     
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    dpeters11

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    Technically speaking they already got rid of that, as in there is no HD line item fee anymore for newer customers. But then they also now have to pay for the first receiver while older customers get it credited back.
     
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    I could understand some secondary TVs might still have old SD boxes on them running off of SL5's that don't have SWiM or on legacy ports on a SWiM-8 that need upgrading... but who doesn't have an HD-capable dish? I mean really? What planet are these people living on? I see a few Phase III's here and there among a sea of SL5's and now SL3's, but I'd assume that they are abandoned at this point, and those people have cable, VDSL TV, or nothing.
     
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    slice1900

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    Lots of people still have non HD capable dishes, Directv still had ~5 million SD only subscribers as of late 2013. Since they stopped taking new SD subscribers in mid 2014 those numbers should have started dropping faster than before, but there would still be several million of them, and almost all of them would have an old dish that would need to be replaced. There are many more HD subscribers who have one or more SD receiver - they are easy to upgrade since Directv can just mail them replacement HD receivers when the time draws closer.

    The 2019 date is still three years away, so they have plenty of time to wait for additional natural attrition of SD only subscribers before they begin contacting people about upgrading. By the time they do that there will be a lot fewer so it should be pretty easy for them to manage. They will have tons of old refurbished HD gear so that part won't cost them anything, the only real cost to Directv will be the installer visit and new dish.

    I would guess they will offer the old carrot and stick approach - first make them an offer to upgrade to the latest technology in exchange for signing a new two year contract, but if they don't bite on that eventually they'll give them a free no contract upgrade to lesser technology (old H2x/HR2x maybe) that they will have to accept or lose service when MPEG2 goes dark. Probably similar to how they managed the MPG receiver replacement a few years back.
     
  19. Apr 27, 2016 #19 of 413
    slice1900

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    Directv isn't going to just lower your bill by $10/month. People paying for HD service are on an older billing scheme that charges differently, not paying for the first receiver and paying $2/month less for DVR / whole home service. If the dropped the HD fee they'd have to change the way they bill the other stuff, get rid of grandfathered packages that are no longer offered, etc. If you are paying it now and remain a customer through the transition, I'm willing to bet you continue paying that HD fee.
     
  20. Apr 27, 2016 #20 of 413
    KyL416

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    If any of those SD receivers are connected to the legacy ports (especially if they have pre-D12 SD receivers) they're going to have to send a truck out to change the wiring to those rooms and possibly upgrade the SWM switch or convert them to a newer LNB if they ran out of SWM slots, otherwise they run the risk of clueless customers unaware of the power inserter and green label splitter requirements accidently frying their system.
     

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