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DIRECTV App / Jailbreak discussions

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Connected Home' started by Stuart Sweet, Oct 27, 2011.

  1. Dec 9, 2011 #121 of 278
    Chris Blount

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    Don't be surprised if the developers are reading other forums.

    Remember, in order for the fixes to be released, they must be in public view somewhere so selectively posting them on certain site really won't make any difference. They will eventually be found by DirecTV. ;)
     
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    And don't be shocked ifcthe D* devs aren't just using Google to find what they need. This fix was the second result in Google when I went looking for it.

    I'm as sure that D* has someone on their iOS team watching sites like MMi as I am that they have Android people watching XDA.

    Rooting and D* aren't at odds yet on the Android side yet, but it helps to know if your subscribers with rooted devices are having issues, even if you aren't actively trying to block them.
     
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    I heard it was all channels. Oh my :uglyhamme

    I do wish the DIRECTV app would stream any channel you get, plus recored content.
     
  4. TBlazer07

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    Plus I'm sure there is someone at Directv who has a jailbroken iPad and knows how to search Cydia. It's not a national secret. It will always be a cat 'n' mouse game but I don't think they are gaining anything by doing that.

    Simply make the app recognize JB and disallow only streaming and MOST people will be happy. To cut off jb devices completely is silly and only serves to incite.
     
  5. Chris Blount

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    Simple enough but you and I both know that wouldn't hold for very long either. There would be another hack generated to allow streaming if the app is allowed to function on jailbroken devices.

    Put it this way. You have a secured room in your house with your most prized posessions complete with alarm system. Would you still leave the front door to your house unlocked? Probably not. That is what DirecTV is doing. It's better for them and all parties involved that the entire house is locked up tight.

    Edit - By the way, I agree about the cat and mouse game. I guess that's going to happen especially in cases like this. It's also kind of hard not to take sides. While I somewhat agree with the jailbreakers, I also see DirecTV's side of the coin as well.
     
  6. cypherx

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    Well then if they don't DRM their stream like Netflix, then DirecTV be prepared for a wild ride.

    If they separated streaming from the app, at least people wouldn't be as angry if they can still use it as a remote control, search, guide viewer, sports score tracker app. There's plenty of other apps and distractions for me to use when I'm on the John. It doesn't have to be live TV. Give me the remote control app and that's good enough for me.
     
  7. Stuart Sweet

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    Do you have evidence that they don't DRM on the stream? Because I would be pretty surprised if there were no DRM.
     
  8. TBlazer07

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    The thing is, Jailbreaking is at a very low point now with people upgrading to 5.x. Frankly I see it pretty much dwindling overall. I think if they spent as much time as they do defeating the JB people on creating an alternative method of "no-stream only if JB" it would be to their advantage. There will ALWAYS be those who want to beat it just because it is there. is it worth all the effort because they (DirecTV) will never win but only create a war. The only reason I JB is because i need to use my Wife's 3GS on T-Mobile and don't want to spend $700 on an unlocked iPhone 4s or $500 on a 4 or $30/mo on data. Don't really care much about the rest. There are a couple convenience apps (profile scheduling and no lock screen) I use for her but that's it. I also use those on our JB iPad 2.
     
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    Well, I'd find it highly unlikely that D* would implement allowing the app to run on jailbroken devices minus streaming because apparently that's so easy to "fix" that I can do it.

    So, next up would be D* separating streaming from the app, which would net them many, many more complaints than blocking jailbreak does. I don't want them to block you, but I also don't want to have two apps on my iPad so that you can have the remote portion. Live streaming in app works for me. aside from that, their costs go up to provide an app for streaming.

    That leaves the option where D* maintains a separate app for jailbreak users that doesn't have streaming included. Might happen, but why would D* want the added hassle and expense with maintaining two apps? Plus, there would be a lot of confusion with people downloading the wrong app then exercising their Jobs given right to 1 star the app.

    D* pretty clearly wants a single app and they don't want their app run on jailbroken devices.
     
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    Are you serious? Losing battle? War?

    Please.
     
  11. TBlazer07

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    Obviously a bit of hyperbole but as for being serious? You don't think that for every time they "patch" it so it doesn't work for JB there isn't someone who will "fix" it so it does? Just like jailbreaking, or patching a Wii or Xbox or PS3 to play backups or trying to stop illegals from crossing the border. it might take longer the next time but there is always someone out there who will do it. It's a losing battle. A waste of effort. They should just put the effort on making the app work for everyone be it with or without streaming. It's only software so there is always someone out there smart enough to patch it even if it's "just for the principle." You said it yourself .... even you can do it.
     
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    Not with anyone I know. I know many avg folks downgrading to 4.x to get a JB. WAAAY to many features that Apps and tweaks that i won't give up.

    Cydia is betting bigger everyday, as is the JB movement. Playing the cat and mouse game with developers is fruitless, waste of time and resources by DIRECTV and costly. Just shut out JB one time. This will keep MOST people out and not seek a patch. Then put those resources to better use. :D
     
  13. TBlazer07

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    How many "avg folks" is "many?" Everything I have read is you can't downgrade (yet) from 5.x so not sure how those "avg folks" are doing it. They must not be very "average." :)
     
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    The fact that they don't allow the app to run on non jb devices.

    If they DRM'd like Netflix, HBOGo, MaxGo, it wouldn't be a problem. Those apps run on JB devices because they are confident that their DRM stream is secured. Those apps also offer much higher valued content (movies for one). Were not talking about ripping House Hunters people....
     
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    They could just do it within the one app. Instead of the program halting and saying "We are not supported on Jailbroken devices", it could just say "Streaming content is not supported on Jailbroken devices. Click OK for remote control only". Then when you hit ok it takes you to the app minus the streaming column. If you go to add columns to your view, streaming just isn't an option.

    The very first time you launch the program it asks you about streaming... for all we know you could say no thanks to that. Sure you can add streaming in later... but a JB device would just not show the streaming.

    Or they could just advertise "Want streaming? Get HBOGo or MaxGo with your HBO Subscription" (and whatever other streaming apps they get access to with your DirecTV.com login).

    Why, because those programs work. Who knows... maybe they protect their stream differently. Maybe they don't care. Maybe it's just a matter of time. Again, who knows.

    The reality of it is, I cannot stand Apples closed ecosystem. The only reason I got an iPad and not an Android tablet is the app marketplace is much bigger. Android is closing the gap and more and more I start thinking about converting from an iphone and ipad to android devices. ESPECIALLY with Ice Cream Sandwich. I JB to customize my device how I like it. Not to steal / rip video streams. I don't have to rip video streams anyway. There's a million and one other (easier) sources to find that stuff on line. Let someone else do the dirty work.
     
  16. dualsub2006

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    Easiest method to defeat. So simple, I could do it and I don't have any idea how to do these types of things.

    I have an Android phone and an iPad that I bought on release day. I got the first one that Apple sold at the Cincinnati Apple Store. Why? Because I wanted a tablet and it was the only thing available.

    I hate it as well. I mean, I love it, but I hate the way that Apple controls everything about it. I hate how they claim it to be so secure, yet HBO won't allow AirPlay streaming of HBO Go on a non-JB device because the encryption is so weak and the stream can be ripped.

    An ICS tablet will come along in the new year that makes me tingle and I'll finally dump my iPad for an Android tablet.

    And I, for one, have never said that your intent was to use your JB iPad to stream rip.

    As someone who has lived in the rooted/ROMed Android world for over 2 years I'm just pointing out that rooting/jailbreaking is a choice that people make. From time to time your choice makes you lose access to something that you really want to have.

    D* has their own reasons for blocking JB devices, but at least Apple doesn't block content from iTunes from being used. If you root your Android device, you can't access the Android Market movie rentals. I don't need access to their movie rentals, I'm just saying.
     
  17. cypherx

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    Well your right, JB or rooting is a choice one makes. As long as I own an apple device, I feel I need to JB to get it the way I like (also out of spite for apples closed ecosystem). As long as there is a patch for DirecTV app, I'll use that too (again my choice). If there isn't, I'll help test, collect logs, trace and memory dumps to help in fixing it again.

    But I'm VERY interested in a new ICS android tablet. If the hardware is good I might sell my ipad2 and use the proceeds towards a more open system. Only thing there is no DirecTV app. I guess we'll have to see how the ipad3 hardware looks. If they do a real high res screen like rumored; well that's important to me and it will be taken into consideration.
     
  18. Chris Blount

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    I'm not quite understanding why you guys purchased an iPad in the first place knowing that it was a closed echosystem. It seems your time would be much better spent enjoying another more open tablet rather than trying to spite Apple.

    Just sayin.
     
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    Chris,

    I stood in line to buy my iPad on day 1, which I think was 5/4/2010. I wanted a tablet, any tablet and the iPad was available. I knew going in that the iPad wasn't the ideal choice for me, but it was what was available.

    I have my own personal rule about how long I keep a device before I will allow myself to buy an upgrade and I'm just not there yet. After the new year, I'll be ready, and since HP tossed webOS and the Touchpad over the side, I'll be picking an ICS based Android tablet.
     
  20. Chris Blount

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