Directv/AT&T - Disney/ESPN Carriage Renewal

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by mws192, Sep 9, 2019.

  1. Andrew Sullivan

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    ESPN as well as every other broadcasting network (Disney, CBS, NBC, FOX )receive huge $$$$ from the companies wanting to advertise their products ie General Motors, Ford, Geiko, Liberty Mutual, Honda, Toyota, Oscar Meyer, plus thousands of local advertisers. These broadcasters should pay "D", Dish, Comcast, Cox etc to shill those products and we should pay nothing as long as we are forced to watch the ads.
     
  2. DMRI2006

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    And yet, far fewer people care about the non-sports channels you want to pay for a la carte. You say "a lot of people have no interest in sports" -- but in the grand scheme of things, the ratings don't bear that out. What are the most watched events every year on broadcast TV? Cable TV?

    Football, especially this time of year, will basically outdraw anything else on cable by a wide margin. I'm no Disney fan, but I don't particularly care who's to blame -- and neither will most subscribers when the bottom line is they can't get even a few (and it's more than a few) major college games on a football weekend.

    Bottom line is Directv is going to suffer subscriber losses to a potentially catastrophic degree if this goes through -- especially when they've always pushed sports, Sunday Ticket, etc. But, maybe that's AT&T's endgame all along here...
     
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  3. Steveknj

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    But millions do care. I'm sure there are stations you watch that I don't give a hoot about. This argument always annoys me. People care or this wouldn't be a big deal. There'd be not 7 plus page thread.
     
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  4. lparsons21

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    I went through this with a friend of mine who is 92. He’s on Dish and was wanting to switch over some channel that was going to go off for awhile.
    I told him that chasing channels is an effort in futility. ALL the services will have these and now it appears that all of them will be having them more often and for possibly longer times.


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  5. James Long

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    It is a negotiation. Each side makes an offer. If DIRECTV simply accepted Disney's offer, it would encourage Disney to ask for more. With each side making an offer, they can meet in the middle. Lower than the price Disney asked.

    The channels you list pay DIRECTV for carriage (or otherwise compensate DIRECTV). You are not paying for those channels.

    I believe you are overestimating the need for Disney channels. Two million people are not going to cancel immediately if there is a channel loss.
     
  6. SamC

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    Where did I ever say I wanted anything a la carte. Longtime readers know that I believe that ALC is the most anti-consumer idea ever.

    Of course the ratings bear that out. Super Bowl? 51% did not watch, and I would posit that for many the Super Bowl is more a party event than an actual game. World Series? 78% of people did not watch. NBA Finals? 90% of people did not watch. Stanley Cup? 98% did not watch. College Football Playoff Final? 84% did not watch. The Masters? 93% did not watch.

    And these are the championships. The most popular sport, the NFL got a 13 (87% not watching) last Sunday at 4; a 12 last Sunday night; a 12 last Thursday night; a 9 (CBS) and 7 (Fox) a 1 Sunday, and 6 last Monday night.

    Regular season NBA games generally get about 1% watching, baseball is harder to figure because of regional telecasts, but is about the same.

    There are millions of people who never watch a second of sports, and if you toss out "watched the Super Bowl at a party" as counting, millions more.

    Yes, sports fans are a large group. Sports get the highest TV ratings, but are no where near the majority. Sports fans are a minority of the entire population.

    And, the majority will eventually find a way to watch TV without paying for sports.

    Disney, and DirecTV, are both living in a past paradigm. They are both like guys who owned gas stations on a US highway. When the Interstate bypassed them.
     
  7. carlsbad_bolt_fan

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    I'm not sure about that...

    I see it as more of a DirecTV problem. Look at all the new pay-for-streaming options we have now. All of the offerings I've checked out offer ESPN & Disney channels. If Disney was playing hardball, those streaming services wouldn't carry them.

    I can't recall AT&T/DirecTV ever having a carriage issue like this. It seems as though each time their carriage agreement with Disney was up, it got renewed and none of us really thought otherwise. Now all of a sudden, there's an issue? Even when DirecTV was losing subscribers, they renewed.

    DirecTV jacks their prices up every year. What are those increases based on? Actual increases in carriage fees? Projected increases in carriage fees? Greed? A combo of all three? I can't say. You can't say. Though I'd like to think those fee increases are based on projected fee changes.
     
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  8. mjd180

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    Really? So what is Disney’s “interstate highway”, & will it be taking over before or after the sun runs out of solar energy?
     
  9. Andrew Sullivan

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    All I can say is wait and see what happens if just ESPN by itself is dark for 30 days. Disaster for DirecTV. Throw in the rest of the Disney channels and Katy bar the door.
     
  10. mjd180

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    I think people are underestimating how much pressure Directv is under to stop losing incredible amounts of money (AT&T to lose 1.1 million TV subscribers as DirecTV continues nosedive)...
     
  11. mjd180

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    30? Try anything more than a week...
     
  12. mjd180

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    This is unproductive rubbish...
     
  13. mjd180

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    Seriously? Their telling people about “other games” that are on? Wow...
     
  14. lparsons21

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    I was under the impression that ATT’s satellite business was still profitable.

    Going forward, ATT is under what I consider a complete misunderstanding of what the consumer wants and is willing to pay when it comes to TV. We’re rapidly seeing that fat bundles of channels with fat prices are not at all the way things are headed.

    Satellite in particular is under the gun going forward as IP TV becomes the norm for all but those that can’t get good enough bandwidth. In most cases these days cable is still competitively priced because of the bundling they can do. Satellite has nothing to bundle.


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  15. mjd180

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    That article title is pretty misleading. Quite depressing. Argues that Directv is now no different Dish (isn’t that great) and that both are doomed to fail because, unlike the cable companies, they have no internet service to offset programming increases (anybody who wants a cord is eventually going to gave to go back to the cable company)...
     
  16. the2130

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    ESPN has actually lost a lot of subscribers as more people cut the cord. While I wouldn't want to see it go dark on DirecTV, it wouldn't be the worst thing that could happen. Disney is trying to get higher fees in the face of declining viewership, and those higher fees get passed on to us. The main thing I would miss is Monday night football, but those games usually get replayed on NFL Network overnight. If ESPN goes dark on DirecTV, I will just set my DVR, avoid looking at any sports scores, and watch it in the morning just like it's a live telecast.
     
  17. mjd180

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    You fail to see how not providing the channels promised because Directv feels they’re too expensive for them is “injurious”?
     
  18. Steady Teddy

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    They called back today and offered the Movies Extra Package free for 3 months for being a loyal customer.
    I told the rep I wasn’t interested. Told him the main reason I was a sub was for Sports, not movies. Also said I was a College Football fan and was deeply concerned about losing ESPN for any length of time. His response: “I’m sure the package we’re offering has movies about football”.
     
  19. lparsons21

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    I would argue that other than some more sports, DirecTV isn’t and wasn’t any better than Dish. Certainly not the 2nd rate equipment and software they’ve been peddling for years. A bit better PQ which is not as important to the general public as it is to the forum denizens. NFLST and a few more sports channels are really all that separate the two.


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  20. mjd180

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    You sound like a perfect customer for NFL online GamePass. Just give the NFL $100, and you can watch all the games.

    Just not live...
     

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