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DIRECTV Buys ReplayTV

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Kheldar, Dec 13, 2007.

What do you think about this?

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  2. Why?

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  3. Not Cool!

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  4. Who's ReplayTV?

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  1. Steve

    Steve Well-Known Member

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    That's units. IIRC, DirecTV still accounts for about 50% of the 4+ million TiVo's that have been sold worldwide to date. When those are gone, TiVo's user base will be drastically smaller, unless they make it up on the COX/COMCAST side. /steve
     
  2. kb7oeb

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    Patents are a monopoly
     
  3. Jeremy W

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    It's actually around 58%, but Tivo's ARPU on DirecTV DVRs is only 91 cents. So while that is still $2 million/month, it doesn't even come close to the almost $15.5 million/month they make off of their own subs.
     
  4. hombresoto

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    From a technicians standpoint, I would have to say that the HR20 has been the most unreliable IRD directv has ever released, with the r15 running close behind. They were a nightmare at the start, but have gotten better. They still die on an all too regular basis. A customer today was on his 5th in 8 months. And no, there was nothing wrong with his system, perfectly aligned, cabled, and grounded. I see this too often to support the quote. I, on the other hand, have not had a problem with my hr20's, other than an occassional reboot, my r15 on the other hand, is a real pos. I have never seen a failure rate like that of the hr20, going back to the original rca receivers.
     
  5. Jeremy W

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    My HR20 and HR21 are actually the only DirecTV receivers I have ever had that haven't died on me. Every other receiver, including RCAs and Tivos, has had to be replaced.
     
  6. Steve

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    FWIW, I've got five HR's and one H, and I've had to replace one HR so far that was about 8 months old. I Had four HR10's and had to replace two in 3 years. Looks to me that they are both about equally reliable, so far.

    Let's face it, if something on the motherboard's gonna go, it's probably going to happen in the first 30-60 days. After that, it will most likely be a drive, and D* has little control over the quality of those, except to select reputable manufacturers. /steve
     
  7. inkahauts

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    I'd say patents are money makers more than monopoly makers.. They generally led to licensing deals, not monopolies. Patents are usually to do with a way to do something, and usually companies let others in on it because they realize that if they are the only ones making a product, its a lot harder to be successful if your the only one selling a kind of technology. But if everyone is making that product, you'll make lots on yours and a little on every unit sold, so you make more because more people use it, and it can become a cash cow for you if it becomes a true standard... i.e. cds and dvds. Why do you think HDDVD and BluRay are still fighting it out. It has nothing to do with what might offer the better solution for the consumer, its about who's going to make all the money in the long run...
     
  8. kevinwmsn

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  9. JonVig

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    Who Cares!!! What does it mean to us?
     
  10. jjcaudle

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    Just like the DTV zealots that still try to justify the HR20. Cox Fairfax is far easier to deal with than DTV csrs ever were. And Directv can't give phone and high speed internet bundled. Tech support, and service calls are prompt instead of a week away like with Directv. And as a proud zealot, I still get TIVO HD. Snowstorms/Rain don't interrupt service

    Proud Tivo Zealot.
     
  11. Jeremy W

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    Nothing you mentioned had anything to do with the HR20. And I don't even understand why you're here, except to troll. You clearly don't like DirecTV, aren't a DirecTV customer, and don't want to be.
     
  12. Goodwin

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    My Replay 5040 still works, and still has commercial advance. I know nothing about Tivo, except when I was researching what DVR to purchase several years ago, there were many reviews that indicated ReplayTV was superior.

    I put in a much larger hard drive and have about 90 hours of movies, etc on it. Since I have two HR20s, I no longer record on it.

    I agree with the many former Replay owners that it has many superior features compared to DTV, including remote booking, MRV, commercial skip, and superior CSR (at least in the past).

    One of its best features is a program search that DTV doen't even come close to equaling. It has a large number of "zones" that can be selected for selective searching. Included are zones to find all 4 star, 3 1/2 star, 3 star, etc. rated movies that are scheduled to show. Using the 4 star zone, I have found and recorded many excellent old movies, even including a few silent movies made in the 1920's.

    Let's hope DTV will incorporate some of Replay's superior features!
     
  13. GP245

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    Wouldn't be surprised in TiVo goes into play - being gobbled up by Dish or a large cable MSO.

    It sure would solve some of the law suits.

    Direct has some new found credibility.

    Can't wait for Malone and Company to take over and make some magic happen.

    I can dream. Can't I?
     
  14. Ken S

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    I doubt it will happen. DirecTV doesn't need to compete with anyone in the DVR market...they get to dictate what plays on their system. They really have little financial incentive to make a great machine...cheap is more the goal.

    Most of their customers won't know the difference and wouldn't pay more for a better system anyway. They don't really want to pay anything if you read these forums and then wonder why they're getting slapped together technology.

    Down the road IPTV may allow competitors into the marketplace again...but I'm sure there's a lot of effort and money being spent to limit that from happening.
     
  15. RAD

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    I don't know about that, while D* doesn't have to compete with selling an open DVR they do need a DVR that will compete with the DVR's that other service providers offer. If you look at comments from E* customers there's a number that say they would switch to D* if it wasn't for their DVR's not having all the features that the 622/722 does. IMHO D* needs to add some features that help differ their product from the others, and adding things like remote booking and MVR would help do that, both of these features Replay had in their DVR's years ago.
     
  16. rahlquist

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    Much as I liked my DirecTivo and still like the one we have in use on a non HD set, its no more stable than my HR20. Ive had to reboot (unplug) the DTivo a few times and I have had to reboot the HR20 a few times. In both cases during strong rainstorms or shortly after. One of the failings I see with the HR20 is it seems that if an extended outage occurs and it shuts down and powers back up later while the storm is still bad if one tuner cant catch a good signal than recording will be disabled requiring a red button reset.

    Not perfect but then again my kids Vsmile has a reset button that needs occasional exercise too as does my pda, cell phone etc.

    Perfect, no but then again what personal electronics ever makes it to completely stable nowadays.

    I hope the D* uses some of the new features its getting but it will be at lease a year I'd be willing to bet before we know or see anything.
     
  17. Ext 721

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    some of the things that differentiate tivo from the HR-20 cause space indicators to be tricky, if not impossible....tivo uses the HD for unlimited space for non-program data, hence thumbs/suggestions data, nearly unlimited memory of shows watched, and nearly unlimited passes/to do list.

    The HR uses dedicated space for all that, (I assume) thus the "to do" limit griped about, and lack of "thumbs"

    a space indicator requires a segment of the disk relegate ONLY to recordings.

    A wise man once said something about pleasing all the people all the time....what was that....?
     
  18. Jeremy W

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    Do you realize how incredibly little space all of that information takes up? It's nothing. If you look at the most Tivo-crazed person out there, and add up all of the space that information takes up on their HD, I guarantee it will be less than 10MB. And that's being extremely generous.
     
  19. Ken S

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    If that was really all that important they would have probably stayed with Tivo which had those features already. Don't get me wrong, I'd like those additions, but I think DirecTV's goal is to produce a DVR that is extremely inexpensive to make and gives them a few selling points (recording hours). Even reading this forum you'll see people more concerned about the color of the unit than about any advanced features.
     
  20. kb7oeb

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    What you describe is a monopoly on an idea or invention, the patent holder is the one who decides who can use their patent if anyone. Patent holders usually license them but they don't have to.

    A good example is poloroid who as far as I know never licensed their patents and stopped Kodak from selling an instant camera.
     
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