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DirecTV CEO: “Never Say Never” To A Merger Deal With Dish Network

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Athlon646464, Aug 3, 2013.

  1. Diana C

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    And the market is staying away in droves. It it wasn't for all the Sirius radios that are pre-installed in vehicles, satellite radio would be dead. Both of our cars (a Ford and a VW) have Sirius radios, but both also have iPod jacks. Guess which one is used more often?

    Stuart got right to the point. Wall Street has the future outlook of a fly. While a DirecTV/Dish merger would be great for the investment bankers and some investors, it would leave a company that is best characterized as a "dead man walking." The time and money a merger would consume would prevent the company from taking the steps it needs to take to survive in the long term.

    The most attractive part of merger is that it would give the current owners of the two companies a very profitable exit strategy.
     
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  2. damondlt

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    Couldn't agree more.
    People are crazy if they think a merger would benefit anyone other then a stock holder.

    Directv should tell Dish get bent.
     
  3. Milkman

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    I would not like the idea of this at all simply from a satellite competition stance. No competition = bad for us.

    Sure they would still have to compete with traditional providers, but nothing for satellite.
     
  4. James Long

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    SiriusXM has 25 million subscribers. If that is "staying away in droves" I hope people stay away from DISH and DirecTV in droves. :)

    BTW: I bought a car with a broken built in radio ... and ended up replacing it with a modern Sirius radio with the ability to do a la carte. I probably should have just followed the cancel every six months for a discount plan but I decided to pick my favorite 50 channels and pay a fixed fee instead of playing games. I am one of the 25 million subscribers.
     
  5. damondlt

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    I am too, but they suck IMO.
    iheart, Pandora, Slacker are much better cheaper options then Sirius.

    As more and more cars get usb ports and more and more 4 G service. It will be the end !

    Remember too James , Just about every New car sold in the USA comes with 1 free year of satellite radio.
     
  6. Laxguy

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    Sniff.... I got six months on one car, three on another. If I renew, it'd be on a re-up lo-cost deal.
     
  7. James Long

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    So where is NASCAR on those services (or Stern or Oprah or whatever else one wants to listen to)? SiriusXM is more than "Musak" - and it works without burning up my data plan and in areas with limited cell phone coverage. You're only lying to yourself if you think their 25 million subscribers come from new car sales. Most of their customers are retained customers.
     
  8. damondlt

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    I bet out of the 13 million in car sales last year at least half came with Free Sirius or XM for one year.

    Nascar really?

    Since there are over 300,000 million people in the USA, 25 million isn't that big. Satellite radio can be had Everywhere.
     
  9. Laxguy

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    25 million subscribers is indeed a force, a quantity worth reckoning. Larger than any sat or cable service.....
     
  10. damondlt

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    By the way Pandora alone have over 200,000,000 registered users, with 66 million active users far more then Sirius XM.
     
  11. sigma1914

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    Probably because it's free, for the most part. Also, not all are even using it... they just signed up to try it.
     
  12. damondlt

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    http://investor.pandora.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=227956&p=proxy
    Read above, From Pandora investor relations April 2013.

    66 Million Active users!

    Also Pandora stock is almost $20 a share not $4 like Sirius XM
     
  13. James Long

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    It isn't a personal subscription. Trying to minimize the reach of SiriusXM by using the wrong index (population of the US) is like saying DirecTV sucks because they only have 20 million subscribers out of 300 million people in the US. (Or worse yet, further padding the number of DirecTV subscribers to create a fictitious number of estimated "people".)

    For example, in SEC documents DirecTV reports 20.021 million US subscribers - on their US website DirecTV reports 30 million customers strong (including Latin American customers). And then there are the "commercial equivalent viewing units" that make up an unreported portion of the subscriber count. 20 million looks good against 100 million US TV households but that number is NOT US households - and it is not even a count of accounts. It is a calculation. 30 million looks even better against 100 million US TV households ... but again it is a bad number. If one uses the 30 million number one must compare it against the greater number of TV households in ALL of the areas served.

    Not bad ... but what is the basis? Worldwide?

    Find a basis and stick with the same basis. Don't compare subscriptions which can be multiple device/multiple radio with a total population count that includes infants and children. It just makes you look bad.

    BTW: Yes, NASCAR. Don't insult other people's listening/viewing choices unless you are willing to have your own choices ridiculed.
     
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  14. damondlt

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    I didn't say they sucked because they have only 25 million customers , they suck cause all you need is 4 hours and you just heard then entire library.
    Nascar on radio is bad. Its auto racing its meant to be watched.

    You can claim what you want , but for the fact there is only one source for satellite radio, 25 million is weak for a service that's available everywhere.
    Directv is not available everywhere. Many factors effect Directv service.

    Also Sirius XM require separate subscriptions per device. So how strong are you going to standby that 25 million

    Our Grand Garavan and Charger are in my name, Our Ram Truck and Darango are in my wifes name , all have Sirius, That count as one?

    NOPE!
     
  15. James Long

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    That is your personal preference. I'm sure that many of the 313 million other people in the US disagree with you. :D

    There is more to NASCAR than the weekend races. Just like people come to this site to discuss television, NASCAR radio provides a place where people can listen to the latest news and commentary on the sport. They can hear interviews with the drivers, crew chiefs, owners and others in the NASCAR community that simply are not available on TV. And like other talk radio, they can call in and join the conversation (or tweet, email, Facebook, etc.) When race time comes, they can listen to coverage from MRN or PRN (depending on track) and hear every race. There are even people who PREFER the MRN and PRN announcers describing the action (some of the voices one will even hear on TV in their reviews of the races). People who prefer radio coverage to the point where they turn down the sound on their TV and listen to SiriusXM while they watch.

    And that is just NASCAR. There are other sports channels and non-sports channels on SiriusXM that people can choose. Content that one CANNOT get on Pandora or other music services.

    Dig deeper. 25 million isn't shabby.
     
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    66 million < 125 million ... Thanks for proving how the 125 million number is an exaggeration and not indecisive of much.
     
  17. trh

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    I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

    '...require separate subscriptions per device...' seems to mean that with your four vehicles, you should have four accounts.

    But you only have two.
     
  18. damondlt

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    I'll let you know when my 2 free accounts are up on my Durango and Charger. As of now my wife and I each have an account for the Grand Caravan, and the Ram Truck. But more then likely won't renew since the new cars can use smartphone apps.
     
  19. James Long

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    So you'll be down to two paid accounts ... not bad for someone who hates the service. :sure:
    (See above for negative comments about SiriusXM including "all you need is 4 hours and you just heard then entire library".)

    There are individuals with more than one DirecTV account. I suppose we should divide their subscriber count in half to account for the few that have more than one account. NONE of the accounting is 100% accurate when one does not have a base for the figures.
     
  20. damondlt

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    Got 6 months on each since I pre paid. After that I will have no paid accounts!
     

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