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DIRECTV First Look: C31-700 Home Media Center RVU Client

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Scott Kocourek, Aug 23, 2012.

  1. Sep 7, 2012 #261 of 503
    veryoldschool

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    Might also be because it needs 12 volts. ;) [haven't checked to know]
     
  2. Sep 7, 2012 #262 of 503
    inkahauts

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    I am surprised they can't make it use less. Maybe "someday"?
     
  3. Sep 7, 2012 #263 of 503
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  4. Sep 7, 2012 #264 of 503
    jonny4

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    Anyone in Houston have this yet, I would love to get rid of this hr22 I am using as a whole home viewer with my hr34, I don't record anything on it.
     
  5. Sep 7, 2012 #265 of 503
    RAD

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    Dripping...
    IIRC I didn't see Houston mentioned as an early test market, but the rumor is that things will open up in October so just hand in there.
     
  6. Sep 7, 2012 #266 of 503
    harsh

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    It isn't irrelevant as it is indicative of how much power is required to convert MoCA (RF) to digital which is uniquely the DECA adapter does. The DECA adapter takes the relatively small extra step of converting to current loop that requires considerably less than 1 watt.

    If we use an AppleTV as a benchmark (with similar functionality and Bluetooth remote control), it consumes 2.47 watts (2.05 with 83% power supply efficiency while streaming an HD movie) and the C31 consumes 5.7 watts, we deduce that the MoCA part of the equation must be over 3 watts. This is consistent with the power consumption of the DECA adapter and probably why DIRECTV doesn't foresee being able to get below 5 watts on the RVU client.

    It is notable that the AppleTV provides either Wi-fi or 100baseTX within its 2.47 watt total.
     
  7. Sep 7, 2012 #267 of 503
    harsh

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    The input power is specified the same as the output of the EPS10: 12VDC@1.5 amps.
     
  8. Sep 7, 2012 #268 of 503
    harsh

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    DIRECTV's future power consumption projections remain at 5 watts so the minimum current required at 5VDC will remain >=1 amp.

    Because the typical maximum USB current (if any) is 500ma (and you'll never justify to someone that the USB port on their Xbox/PS3/AVR/USB hub is any different than the one on their TV), USB should not be used to provide power for a DIRECTV RVU client box.

    That the C31 includes a USB port makes it obvious that it can't draw from USB.
     
  9. Sep 7, 2012 #269 of 503
    veryoldschool

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    Max ratings mean little.
    The C31 max wattage is listed as 10.5
     
  10. Sep 7, 2012 #270 of 503
    harsh

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    It would appear that the current ELA doesn't discriminate on whether or not you have the capability of utilizing WHDS.
    The assumption is that if you have only a lone HR2x or HR3x, you must pay the $20 fee.

    Based on the most sophisticated box in your setup:
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    Advanced Receiver fee (one or more HD DVRs)  $20
    Advanced Receiver - HD fee (H2x)             $10
    Advanced Receiver - DVR fee (SD DVR)          $8
    Advanced Receiver - TiVo fee (THR-22)         $5 (in addition to the $20 fee)
    The DIRECTV sign-up application confirms this fee schedule. If you select only an HR34, it will show the $20 fee (less a $10 discount for 24 months).
     
  11. Sep 7, 2012 #271 of 503
    harsh

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    They mean a whole lot if they get down below 2.5 watts (which may be possible without DECA).
    As long as the DIRECTV RVU client box max current rating is greater than 2.5 watts, it will be too much for USB to power.
     
  12. Sep 7, 2012 #272 of 503
    veryoldschool

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    The ARS fee includes the HD fee [$10], the DVR fee [$8], & the MRV fee [$3].
    $20 is a one dollar savings over having them separate line items.
     
  13. Sep 7, 2012 #273 of 503
    LameLefty

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    Oh? Is that how it's broken down on your statement?
     
  14. Sep 7, 2012 #274 of 503
    harsh

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    The point is that using an HR34 with RVU clients (whether the C31 or otherwise) doesn't save on monthly fees versus a WHDS system as was suggested might be the case.
     
  15. Sep 7, 2012 #275 of 503
    LameLefty

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    No one who actually KNOWS suggested that was the case at all.
     
  16. Sep 7, 2012 #276 of 503
    harsh

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    The table was meant to summarize the information contained in the ELA. Quite obviously, a customer will only be billed for one of the fees per account (unless you're a TiVotee and are blessed with paying two separate fees).
     
  17. Sep 7, 2012 #277 of 503
    veryoldschool

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    That isn't really known yet.
    What you posted are for new customers, and existing customers "may" be able to drop the MRV if they don't have any HR2x "along with" a HR34.
     
  18. Sep 7, 2012 #278 of 503
    harsh

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    Apparently some posters got the impression that:

    1. There may be a reduction of $3 in fees from dropping WHDS.
    2. No one actually KNOWS yet.
     
  19. Sep 7, 2012 #279 of 503
    veryoldschool

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    As they should have gotten.
    I'll "know for sure", when I get to the point of dropping my last HR2x.
     
  20. Sep 7, 2012 #280 of 503
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    The design decisions of a c31 having a USB port has Absolutly no factor on a device designed to run off of USB power. Actually that's true about everything in your argument.

    The statement I made was in regards to why they didn't design it to run off USB power in the first place. Your assuming they can't design it in a way that could allow it to run on USB based soley on the current design of the c31 and an external deca, that again as Stuart says, has no bearing here, because there is no internal deca in a c31, nor does there need to be. I am not that narrow in my thinking...
     

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