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DirecTV going back to OTA for locals?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by mnassour, May 16, 2013.

  1. May 18, 2013 #41 of 142
    jdspencer

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    In regards to retransmission fees paid by DirecTV to the locals.

    IMO, it should be the other way around. The locals should pay DirecTV to have there programming carried by DirecTV.

    Afterall, this would increase the number of viewers to their stations.
     
  2. May 18, 2013 #42 of 142
    alnielsen

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    There is one big reason to have an OTA antenna over what D* offers, subchannels and class A stations. D* dosen't offer all the subchannels and class A stations aren't must carry. Around here, we have lots of both are missing.
     
  3. May 18, 2013 #43 of 142
    tonyd79

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    That's why an OTA antenna is a good supplement but it doesn't work even for primaries for a large number of customers. I get sub channels OTA but lost main channels OTA with the digital transition.
     
  4. May 18, 2013 #44 of 142
    Satelliteracer

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    In my opinion, nothing to do with Aero. This has to do with Retrans fees.
     
  5. May 19, 2013 #45 of 142
    n3vino

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    That's especially true with broadcasters, such as Sinclair Broadcasting, that own stations all over the U.S., and in some cities, they own multiple stations. Here in S.A., they own the Fox and NBC affiliates. When broadcasters negotiate, they pretty much have D* and subscribers all over the U.S. by they yang yang, as they negotiate for all the stations they own at the same time.
     
  6. May 19, 2013 #46 of 142
    sliderbob

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    I'd be in favor of this IF we could get the channels on the 390's.
     
  7. May 19, 2013 #47 of 142
    inhd40

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    Sounds great to me. I would not be able to use a dish mount but if I could tie in my mast to the genie and still DVR locals and maybe save a few bucks, why not? Not everyone would be able to do it but probably 80-90 percent could. That is another question, what about current equipment that is not OTA compatible? Would there be some kind of converter available?
     
  8. May 19, 2013 #48 of 142
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    It's going to take a 2 step approach for this.

    1. certify the technicians to do an off air signal test with the appropriate equipment.

    2. if they have acceptable levels, they get an off air and are good to go. If not, they get the distant networks turned on by default.

    that alone will kill 90% of the complaints about stopping a retrans for a local station.
     
  9. May 19, 2013 #49 of 142
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    Would the local channels allow for this, would they allow for their guide data to be carried over D* satellites?

    Sounds like a good idea, but I just don't see it happening. Like others have said already, too many negative variables would be in affect.
     
  10. May 19, 2013 #50 of 142
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    I've always wondered about that, too. Seems kinda backasswards to me.

    Rich
     
  11. May 19, 2013 #51 of 142
    tonyd79

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    I think your 80-90 number is way too high. Since the digital switchover, ota coverage as dropped dramatically.
     
  12. May 19, 2013 #52 of 142
    tonyd79

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    On what grounds?
     
  13. May 19, 2013 #53 of 142
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    I only get one OTA channel where I live and it's retransmitted so this would not work for me. Even if they gave us the distant networks, I would lose the local news and weather which is mostly all I watch on the networks.
     
  14. May 19, 2013 #54 of 142
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    In an ideal world, local stations would want to be carried by cable and satellite providers because it increases their reach. They used to give it away free for that reason. Later they realized that due to the way copyright law is written, they control whether/how their signal is rebroadcast. Since there's a demand for it, and they control it, they're able to charge for it. Why give something away, even something you might be willing to pay to give them, if someone is willing to pay for it?

    It's like if you were cleaning out your attic for a garage sale and some guy driving by sees one item you were going to put on the curb as trash and offers you $50 for it on the spot. Are you going to tell him, "actually I was going to throw that away, you can have it" or will you take the $50? Or maybe you figure if he's willing to pay $50, maybe he might be willing to pay $100?


    The local stations keep raising their rates each time around, charging whatever the market will bear. They know that if the average person puts on a channel to watch their regular show or their team and instead sees a message about the station being blacked out due to ongoing negotiations, the angry phone call they make is much more likely to be directed at their provider who they pay for service rather than at their local station whom they don't (personally) pay.
     
  15. May 19, 2013 #55 of 142
    TheRatPatrol

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    Not sure, thats why I asked.
     
  16. May 19, 2013 #56 of 142
    inhd40

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    Range went down for sure but with a good booster you can pull a long way.
     
  17. May 19, 2013 #57 of 142
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    As long as they're submitting their guide data information to Tribune (or another provider), they can't prevent DirecTV from getting the guide data from Tribune (or another provider) and disseminating the information.
     
  18. May 19, 2013 #58 of 142
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    Problem is that you need big antennas. No amount of amplification makes a signal appear that isn't here. And it largely needs to be directional. The further away the more likely. A little dipole on a dish ain't gonna do it. Especially or VHF. Then there is the problem of multipath for people in and near cities. Multipath in analog just made a ghost. In digital, it breaks up and knocks out the picture.

    While digital gave us beautiful HD and sub channels, it made it much harder to get clean, consistent OTA.
     
  19. May 19, 2013 #59 of 142
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    Not to mention that there isn't a single protest now, even from channels in dispute. Precedent set.

    Heck, hey dont need to get it via satellite. The data is actually in the psip data. Not as far out calendar wise, but it is there.
     
  20. May 20, 2013 #60 of 142
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    I've suggested that the Feds just begin a transition to all Satellite for locals. Buy back the portion of the spectrum that's used for locals, from the satellite companies, and give it to the broadcasters in place of the terrestrial frequencies.
    Let the satellite companies still operate the ground and space facilities for a while, until time for new satellites and uplinks.
    As we move forward, eliminate the need for two HD and two SD feeds (both DISH and DirecTV), and free up more spectrum for the satellite companies and the broadcasters. Make all new satellite boxes HD-capable.
    The locals would be available to anyone in the particular DMA, for free, but would be tightly spot-beamed....maybe even scrambled, if necessary (to control out-of-market reception). make it possible for non-subscribers to purchase FTA receivers for local reception.
    As things progress, let the local stations get together and build or purchase their own local POP, and uplinks. They could hire (on a national basis) the DBS companies, or someone else, to build, launch and operate the Space Segment and TT&C facilities.

    With the local stations being the ones who send the signal, there is no need for retransmission fees. Even Cable subs could receive the terrestrial broadcasters' signals via a dish, and the Cable companies could use their bandwidth for broadband.
     

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