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DirecTV going back to OTA for locals?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by mnassour, May 16, 2013.

  1. May 20, 2013 #61 of 142
    damondlt

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    Why not just go back to the East and West feeds, and if you want your own locals then use OTA. Atleast then your are still getting the Major networks.
     
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  2. May 20, 2013 #62 of 142
    HoTat2

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    Current federal laws won't allow it, even though outdated and misused by broadcasters to extort money from the MSOs

    And the powerful NAB Washington lobby will fight tooth'in nail to keep it that way ...
     
  3. May 20, 2013 #63 of 142
    Mike Greer

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    I'd switch OTA in a heartbeat if I didn't have to pay for my locals on DirecTV.

    They should go back to the way it used to be and allow you to sub to your locals for $7 a month. If you don't need them don't pay for them... Or was it Dish Network that would let you chose to pay for locals or not? Can't remember.

    The majority of DirecTV subs would at least have the OTA option and that could save a bunch of money and put the local broadcasters in their place.
     
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  4. May 20, 2013 #64 of 142
    phodg

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    There's no way I could get CBS Chicago without a big antenna on my roof. And I wouldn't accept distant networks as I'd lose my local news and weather. If this happened (which I think is probably unlikely), even though I've been with DirecTV for over 15 years I'd be off like a shot.
     
  5. May 20, 2013 #65 of 142
    ACR_Ted

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    I would love to see DTV go OTA for locals! I have a large antenna and I can get about 60 or so channels (all of the Phoenix and Tucson (AZ) stations). It would be nice to save a few $$ on the DTV price and would help put the greedy stations in their place. I see mention of the new OTA AM21N however does it scan? I've read that it does and/or does not. Getting the Tucson stations is important to me, but if it is limited to just your local dma I would not be interested. And if it doesn't scan that would mean no sub channels either, I think?

    Thanks!

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  6. May 20, 2013 #66 of 142
    KyL416

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    The Tivo and the Genies scan, the others are stuck with the database that limit you to two DMAs. The database also only lists the main signals so if you're in a market like mine that has a lot of translators, you're out of luck if you can't get the main signal. Check the transponder maps thread in tips and tricks, it has a full list of stations in the database for each market.
     
  7. May 20, 2013 #67 of 142
    tonyd79

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    How do you cover the local news emergency for people who don't have cable or satellite? Or don't have line of sight?
     
  8. May 21, 2013 #68 of 142
    ACR_Ted

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    Thanks for the info - that leaves me out with a HR22. Oh well....using the built in database will not work for me seeing as how the sub channels would not be shown.

    Ted
     
  9. May 21, 2013 #69 of 142
    Herdfan

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    I think it all depends on how the retrans contracts are written. If they pay per sub in an area, then there is no benefit, but if it is like HBO where they only pay on the number of subs actually subscribing to the locals, then I think there is a huge benefit.

    But it will have to be a fully integrated solution, ie antenna in the STB, for most people. Those who live in major cities could probably pick up most locals with a decent antenna, so if the STB handled all the setup, then it could work.

    DirecTV could have the STB first try to get locals via OTA via the setup process. If that works and the OTA signal is adequate, then the customers uses OTA for locals and is none the wiser, if the OTA setup portion fails, then the customer gets locals via satellite and is none the wiser. The STB then reports back to DirecTV which method the customer is using and then only pays retrans fees on those using the satellite feed.

    The downside I see is that OTA takes up more recording space, so DirecTV will need to increase HDD sizes.
     
  10. May 21, 2013 #70 of 142
    slice1900

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    Why would the antenna be in the STB? Having it on the dish would work better since antennas always function better outside, and would typically be located at higher elevation than the STB, and could also be larger - fewer people will complain about a 2' mast with a 2-3' long 1' wide antenna extending from their dish than would complain about the same thing extending from their STB!

    Even a full size antenna on the peak of the roof isn't adequate for some people, so OTA can never replace getting the channels delivered over satellite for everyone, but the more people who could be covered by an alternate solution, the fewer people who will threaten to leave Directv if they played hardball when negotiating with the local stations. Over time that should reduce the growth rate of their cost for local stations.
     
  11. May 21, 2013 #71 of 142
    mnassour

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    Sorry I've been away from the topic so long, especially since I started it <grin>.

    Actually, I think you CAN negotiate a contract for LIL based on the numbers of people taking the service. Instead of a blanket fee for all subs in a market, DirecTV simply offers a certain figure PER sub. Of course, the TV station owner doesn't have to take it!

    This does indicate at the very least a threat on the part of DirecTV to either drop entirely (not likely) or dramatically cut back (much more likely) its use of Local into Local service.

    Frankly, I see is as a threat...more than anything else...to force down the cost of local retrans fees. DirecTV has already demonstrated that it has the capability to seamlessly integrate OTA with its own guide. I would not be surprised if it has decided that there are certain...marginal...local into local markets that could be more economically served by an OTA solution than local into local.

    Until now, DirecTV hasn't really had any leverage on its side to try to hold down the ever-escalating retrans fees. This is, more than anything else, its first club. In a worst-case scenario, DirecTV transitions to OTA service one market at a time. Yes, there will be those folks who cannot be served for whatever reason. In some markets, those folks may have to get cable as a supplement (bad idea) or move to Dish.

    Before now, DirecTV has been a captive of the local stations for local signals. That...if nothing else...may be about to change. DirecTV has made it clear that it has to get its costs in line. This is the first shot in that battle.
     
  12. May 22, 2013 #72 of 142
    damondlt

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    Cell phone! Works like a charm.
    And I'm in a fairly poor service area where the closest major city is 25 miles.

    I signed up for free emergency alerts from the national weather services as well as my local ABC.
    With cell phones and internet ,I wouldn't miss the lack of local news.
    I would be fine with East or west feeds.
     
  13. May 22, 2013 #73 of 142
    tonyd79

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    No, no, no. It doesn't work like a charm in emergencies. Heck, doesn't work like a charm at a football game. Cells get overtaxed. And you want to force people to get cell phones? Really good business plan.

    If directv drops locals, it is suicide. This is saber rattling.
     
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  14. May 22, 2013 #74 of 142
    damondlt

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    95% of the time i'm not in front of a TV during an emergency, I would say that accurate for most.
    But My Cell phone is on my 99.9% of the time.

    Its 2013 most people have several cell phones in their home.

    Just saying if its a cost saving measure with a solid back up plan, I'm all for it!
    If I was at a football game I wouldn't watching my Directv locals anyway. I've never ran in to an overtaxed Cell phone since September 11th 2001.

    Which again was not home to watch my locals!
     
  15. May 22, 2013 #75 of 142
    MysteryMan

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    Ever hear of "Dead Space" ? It's a common issue with cell phones.
     
  16. May 22, 2013 #76 of 142
    damondlt

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    Please! Dead Space, what you carry Directv receiver and TV with you everywhere you go?
     
  17. May 22, 2013 #77 of 142
    MysteryMan

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    I agree, cell phones are far from being 100% reliable. I live in a very rural area. There are pockets of Dead Space where cell phones cease to function. Hell, there are even pockets where our State Troopers' radios don't work.
     
  18. May 22, 2013 #78 of 142
    damondlt

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    I don't disagree with that.
    But I'm more likely to hear a Text from the national weather service at 3am,

    then my Directv receiver and TV turning on by its self to give me warning.

    Just saying TV anymore is not the best warning signal anymore.
     
  19. May 22, 2013 #79 of 142
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    but then that would be the minority, as cell companies try to cover larger cities
     
  20. May 22, 2013 #80 of 142
    MysteryMan

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    For a sizeable portion of the population cities are 30+ miles from their location. Nearest city to my location is 26 miles. Second nearest city is 38 miles.
     

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