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DirecTV going back to OTA for locals?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by mnassour, May 16, 2013.

  1. slice1900

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    Can it handle reception of multiple channels from multiple directions simultaneously? I am guessing that it is similar to the MIMO antennas used for Wifi and cellular, in which case it should be capable of doing just that.

    I found a small blurb on Wikipedia about this, and apparently there were two such antennas formerly available but neither is being produced anymore. I assume there must be some problem with this in practice, or this type of technology would dominate the market instead of people continuing to use old school antennas which are aimed in a specific direction.

    I know the MIMO antennas used elsewhere require a fair bit of processing power, and since the SmartAntenna technology you're talking about was designed for the DTV converter boxes, that is to say at the very low end of the market, maybe sufficient amounts of processing power could not be included at the price range they were targeting. With another half decade of ASIC performance increases behind us and Directv presumably willing to make it cost what it needs to cost to get it done right, perhaps this is a possibility.
     
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  2. Tom Servo

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    Anything that cuts into my local stations' greed is ok by me. I am 25-30 miles from two larger cities and OTA works fine here except for the one VHF station, which coincidentally is the one local NOT on the AM21.

    I don't even have a real antenna for OTA in my bedroom, just an alligator clip attached to the radio whip antenna from an old Plymouth car! I get 90% on all my local stations.
     
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  3. gully_foyle

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    They should bypass the locals entirely and make regional deals with the networks directly. It really isn't the rebroadcast rights they want, it's the content that the locals have exclusive locks on. Locks they would have lost long since, but the NAB got Congress to turn their business plan into law.

    The business model of having local broadcasters in every conceivable RF footprint has LONG been obsolete. Not sure why networks still broadcast at all, really. Most of their customers have moved on. Sure, one wants local news coverage but that doesn't mean you have to have stations every 50 miles. Between satellite, cable and the ever-growing internet backbone many local broadcast stations are doomed. Be silly for DirecTV not to plan for that day, especially as some local stations have moved to hostage-taking as their basic business and have no added content worth buying.
     
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  4. gully_foyle

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    Question for those who have OTA reception problems: If DirecTV delivered all the networks from the nearest big city, along with those local independents who signed up, would that really be so bad? The real problem is that the local network broadcasters, whose signal many can't get, claim to own you.
     
  5. mnassour

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    That's because...under the law....they do.
     
  6. Herdfan

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    Yep. And they have better lobbyists than we do.
     
  7. twiseguy

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    I hope I can get my money back for the AM21 I bought that won`t pick up all the available stations due to DTV not carrying them in their "database".
     
  8. carl6

    carl6 Moderator Staff Member DBSTalk Club

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    I'm not sure if you can get your money back by returning it to the place of purchase, however the AM21 is an owned accessory, not leased, and you can sell it privately to recover your cost. Check the buy/sell/trade forum here as one opportunity to try and do that.
     
  9. Herdfan

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    You have a couple of options. First contact the stations you think you should be getting and let them know they need to provide their data to Tribune. DirecTV can't add stations it doesn't know about.

    Second, if you know you should be getting a signal from a station, but it is not in the database, then find another market that has a station that is broadcasting on the same channel. This needs to be the actual VHF/UHF channel, not the remap. For example, my local station 3, 3-1 and 3-2 are actually located at UHF 23. So find a market that has the station (easy) or stations (harder) you want and add it as your secondary market. You might get weird channel numbers, but you will be able to get the content.
     
  10. lokar

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    Does anyone know if you can still get a $3 discount on your bill if you don't want to get LiL? I can get all my local channels just fine via OTA so I would like to do this and support D* in this area. If D* really wants to encourage OTA usage, they could start letting the receivers scan for all OTA channels instead of only being able to select the ones in their database. This absolutely infuriates me that I can't do a real OTA scan and it's even worse when it seems every day the D* guide omits about half the OTA channels that showed up the week before!
     
  11. Herdfan

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    Not sure that $3 is worth having your recordings take up twice the space as the satellite delivered ones.

    I agree they should enable scanning if they want OTA to take off. And increase the HDD size.
     
  12. tonyd79

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    Pretty sure the genie can scan but without guide data, all you can do is tune and manual record.
     
  13. carl6

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    Not by choice, only if you cannot get LILs. If they are available, you have to take them.
     
  14. bobcamp1

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    In my experience, the guide data is in Tribune for almost all of the substations. Tivo has no problem recording from these substations, and it also uses Tribune guide data.

    Not scanning and supporting all substations is just a quick fix D* took a while ago to workaround some issues they were having.
     
  15. mnassour

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    My local Fox station confirmed to me today that Movies! is not in the Tribune guide data.....yet. Hopefully, this will change soon.
     
  16. haas

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    I have an HR44 just installed today if I buy the AM21N can my mini genie clients use it also since they are all connected? Can one mini watch one OTA channel on one mini and watch a different OTA channel on another mini? Just curious if there is any limitations?
    Thanks
     
  17. HoTat2

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    Yes, the mini Genies can do that.
     
  18. HoTat2

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    Movies! is in the Tribune guide data now;

    At least as reported by Zap2it.com for my zip code, 90037

    But of course DIRECTV has or more likely "will" not update their OTA database to receive it though.
    :nono2:

    The Genie can still get it without guide data, but when DIRECTV soon removes the active scanning capability from the Genies, we'll even lose that ... :mad:
     
  19. Jul 5, 2013 #139 of 142
    wilbur_the_goose

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    D* seems to be anti-OTA to me:
    1. Not all locals are in their database, so I can't get them on my D* DVRs
    2. No scanning available
    3. No plans to enable all locals or scanning.

    Therefore, I think the seminal point of this thread is now moot.
     
  20. Jul 5, 2013 #140 of 142
    mnassour

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    Actually, I think it's been discussed several times here that the reason for not all locals being in the database is that the database is simply full. DirecTV's system for inserting locals appears to be breaking down under the crush of there being so many. I really wish I could quote the threads right here, right now, but hopefully someone else will come up with them.
     

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