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DIRECTV Has the HD 'Capacity' to Bamboozle

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by markrw58, Dec 1, 2009.

  1. Dec 7, 2009 #101 of 119
    wolfjc

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    Now they're doing the exact same thing with the D12 launch. "Up to 200 HD channels." Go figure. My guess is they won't have anywhere close to 200 HD channels, although D12 may allow them to reach the 150 mark."

    Where are there 200 new HD channels?
    I seriously doubt that there any were near 200 new national HD channels out there anywhere.
     
  2. Dec 7, 2009 #102 of 119
    Satelliteracer

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    It's all in how you read the words, too. When D12 becomes operational, is the author saying 10 HD channels will not launch that day or forever? Not sure how to read his words on that one. But yeah, it will be more than 10 channels, whether they all go up on a certain day remains to be seen. Depends on a number of factors on the actual timing but D* isn't launching a bird with all this capacity to sit on it.
     
  3. Dec 7, 2009 #103 of 119
    sigma1914

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    There are 144 total HDs out there not counting RSNs or networks.
    46 Premiums
    98 Nationals
     
  4. Dec 8, 2009 #104 of 119
    Tom Servo

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    Perhaps, with cable it's all about the boxes. I've only got one HD set, so for the three other TVs they could make do with no digital cable and no boxes. Since I have to have boxes with DirecTV no matter what, two of them are HD, downconverted to SD.

    So for the time being, cable here would be way cheaper but it also has fewer HD channels to enjoy… although I could live with it I suppose since they have the ones I watch most.

    I know I'm probably in the minority in that case, too. Heck you get what you pay for. No matter how much we all complain about stuff D* does, you gotta admit it's still better than cable in most places!
     
  5. Dec 8, 2009 #105 of 119
    Herdfan

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    First, I would like say I think Swanni is an idiot.

    But with that said, there is a press release from DirecTV from June of 2007 regarding the launch of the HBO multiplex in HD once D*10 went operational. It did not happen. Then D*11 went operational and it still did not happen. I know I keep bring this point up, but DirecTV did issue the press release and did not follow through.
     
  6. Dec 8, 2009 #106 of 119
    LameLefty

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    At the risk of being labeled a "fanboy," or an "apologist" or whatever else, I feel that accuracy requires me to point out three things. First, the 2007 press release was put together before D10 was even launched and certainly before the issue with its spot beams was identified. That may or may not have had an impact on the overall rollout of HD content, but it certainly was putting the horse before the cart. Which leads me to my second point: that press release was put out as marketing material which should ALWAYS be taken with a grain of salt and relied upon only with caution, from any company.

    And finally, my last and most important point, Satelliteracer has NEVER given us inaccurate information or dropped hints that were flat out wrong here at DBSTalk. :)
     
  7. Dec 8, 2009 #107 of 119
    Hutchinshouse

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    Tell it brother! :bowdown:
     
  8. Dec 8, 2009 #108 of 119
    Herdfan

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    Yes, the PR was put together before D*10. Which means it was also before D*11. Both launched sucessfully, so there is no way it is a capacity issue that the HBO multiplex is not up, spotbeam issue or not.

    And yes, Satelliteracer's info has been 100% rock solid and this was not a slam on him. But he stated that its in how you read the words. I can't read the 2007 PR and come up with any other meaning.

    So let's Fast Forward here a couple of months. Can you imagine the firestorm that will hit this board if D* uses the D*12 capacity to launch another 50 PPV's and not mainstream channels? Fifty is greater than 10, so satelliteracer's comments will have been accurate.
     
  9. Dec 8, 2009 #109 of 119
    Tom Robertson

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    I feel your pain. My big goal is more premium HDs. :) :)

    And you are right, DIRECTV did promote some channels very early on that haven't materialized yet. I presume some legal or technical negotiations (or both) held some channels up far longer than expected--until the capacity ended up being used by other channels first. (So I guess.)

    And I'm not complaining. I have been very happy with what we've had so far. Just more would be even better. :) :)

    Thankfully, I know I can trust Satelliteracer's comment that 99% of the members/subscribers will be happy with the next round(s) of channels delivered by D12. Ok, maybe it will only be 98%. Or 99.9%. But I'm expecting to be in that large group either way. :) :)

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  10. Dec 8, 2009 #110 of 119
    evan_s

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    D11 may have been disappointing for some or many people but DirecTV's choices can be understood even if you don't agree with them.

    Taking more RSNs full time HD and PPV HD channels were all about being able to provide their sports coverage with out impacting other things. I was not a subscriber then but have read that they used to have to turn off the HD TNT channel when Sunday Ticket had it's games on because they needed the bandwidth and it was before all the games were HD. DirecTV knew they would need lots of bandwidth for Sunday ticket to be able to provide all the games and the Full Time RSNs ensure that NBA league pass, NHL Center Ice, etc have all their games in HD (these sports packs are remaps of the RSNs). Analysis has shown that at peak usage most of the PPV HD channels have been replaced with other things.

    For D11 also mirrored the old mpeg2 channels in mpeg4 at their core location allowing them to start using the SL3 for cheaper/easier installs and less LOS issues.

    For D12 we don't have any of these issues to deal with. There are a couple more RSNs that could go full time but I don't see any need for additional PPV channels so I expect that any additional PPV channels will just be temporary when working on getting new National channels running.
     
  11. Dec 8, 2009 #111 of 119
    Tom Robertson

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    Since they still have more SD PPV channels than HD, I bet DIRECTV will add another 10 or so fairly quickly--as permanent additions.

    Aside from that minor point, evan_s' analysis is spot on. There aren't anymore MPEG2's to mirror, there isn't a need for a lot more HD PPVs, and the RSN season is mostly done too.

    Bring on the Premiums! :)
     
  12. Dec 8, 2009 #112 of 119
    Herdfan

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    Not trying to beat a dead horse, but the only thing I don't agree with is issuing a PR, then not doing what you said you would do. Tom mentioned possible contractual issues, but I can't imagine a scenario where D* would announce something without the contracts being finalized. There may have been technical issues that we are not aware of, but capacity is not one of them.

    And someone may correct me if I am wrong, but TNT-HD and HDNet(due to the overwhelming resistance they got when they shut off TNT-HD during the Chase) were shut off in the MPEG-2 days, and not since D*10 launched.

    And yes, D*11 was a disapointment. But again, can you imagine the "disapointment" that will happen if they don't use D*12 to launch some "real" channels.
     
  13. Dec 8, 2009 #113 of 119
    LameLefty

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    Did you actually read what evan_s and Tom wrote? Have you followed Sixto's bandwidth/transponder tracking and analysis at all? Your statement is demonstrably false. They need just about every transponder they've got for the peak of the Sunday Ticket, NASCAR, etc. sports packages on weekends.

    However, once D12 is on-orbit and active, that need for overflow capacity for special programming should not be a constraint or issue for adding additional full-time HD channels.
     
  14. Dec 8, 2009 #114 of 119
    evan_s

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    Fair enough. I have all the ppv hidden normally so I had no idea if all the PPV channels had a hd version or not =). Even if they do add 10 more permanent PPV channels that still leaves room to add 70 more channels.

    I also forgot to mention that D11 has several tps that have been left at 4 channels instead of 5, presumably to allow higher bandwidth for the RSN and part time sports channels like sunday ticket. Possibly also to allow bandwidth for the interactivity feature, the red button sports scores. Once again D12 shouldn't have to deal with this either.
     
  15. Dec 8, 2009 #115 of 119
    Herdfan

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    Yes I did, but I stand by my statement. They HAD the capacity. They may not now, but they did over the time period from the PR until they ran out.

    The PR was issued in June of 2007. After that, D*10 was launched and became operational. Lots of new HD channels were added. The HBO multiplex as announced in the PR, was not included. D*11 was launched. Many RSN's and a few other channels were added, but again the HBO multiplex as announced in the June 2007 PR was not added.

    So since the PR was released, they have launched 2 satellites and added over 100 HD channels. Yet they made a choice to not add the majority of the channels they listed in their PR. Capacity may be an issue now, but since that statement, they have had the capacity and chose not to use it for the HBO multiplex.

    There is no way to say they did not have the capacity at some point since June 2007.
     
  16. Dec 8, 2009 #116 of 119
    gregjones

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    Having capacity is only half of the battle. Having an agreement is the other. Maybe they chose not to carry them and maybe they were not able to come to an agreement giving them permission to carry them.

    Did they *choose* not to carry VS? Comcast made demands which resulted in raising the price.

    I agree with a lot of your points, but we cannot assume that it is always the fault of DirecTV. BBC America was a fine example. They went all out advertising that the network would be in HD on a specific date. They then admitted that they had carriage agreements with exactly zero distributors just a month or so before the date.

    I don't know why the channels were not carried. But I admit that I don't know.
     
  17. Dec 8, 2009 #117 of 119
    Satelliteracer

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    Remember that it takes two to tango. I've said that a few times here. So when a PR says the plans are to launch X,Y,Z, well X,Y,Z need to be on board. Sometimes those things change, after a PR is sent out. It's unfortunate, but those things do happen from time to time in the real world of business. Heck, there are situations where X,Y, or Z change their mind after the deal is done. Look at Billy Donovan becoming the head coach of the Orlando Magic or many other such transactions that were something on one day and something else a day or two later.

    D12 should make many people very pleased on the national scope. D11 made many people happy on a regional or local scope. Let's just keep our fingers crossed that she flies well and straight, ends up in the correct orbit and everything is a go. If so, then we can all enjoy some more HD Festivus in a few months.
     
  18. Dec 8, 2009 #118 of 119
    David MacLeod

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    many disagree, but I think they did it right on d11 taking care of locals. those that complained had locals while many of us were ota only with refused waivers to some networks.
    I was very happy when I finally got hd locals last year.
     
  19. Dec 8, 2009 #119 of 119
    RAD

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    Yep, keeping fingers crossed that D12 goes 100%.

    What do you think the odds are that we might see a new channel or two before D12 goes active or should all the guessing going on be stopped since there won't be anything added before then?
     

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