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Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Greg Alsobrook, Dec 23, 2011.
Couldn't have said it any better... So ditto!
from Ovation's website:
Ovation has increased its HD subscriber base by 85% since January 2011 while increasing its SD service’s sub base by 5M during the same time period.
“Our momentum over the last year has been very encouraging, especially with regard to our HD service,” said Charles Segars, CEO, Ovation. “We have an aggressive distribution strategy planned for this year and anticipate several new deals within the first quarter.”
I dont now that I agree with that sentiment. They weren't prepared to not have FX, and the Disney family of network is WAAAAY more coveted than FX and some RSNs. they are table stakes and run the gamut from sports to children's to O&O ABC stations in major markets featuring some of the most popular programming on television... Those are table stakes for a lot of folks. There will be posturing and blustering and it may go public, but I don't think there's a snowball's chance in h*ll that D* lets Disney programming disappear from its airwaves when it "blinked" with Fox.
You think DirecTV caved to all of foxs demands? No they didn't. They negotiated to a better deal than what fox wanted, and I have no doubt DirecTV would have pulled those channels. They went on the offensive, not fox. Thats negotiation. True negotiation, no one gets everything they want, but everyone gets enough of what they want. Fox wanted everything, and was going to bid their time till feb when they could yank all their stations and try and hurt dtv. Dtv said screw that, we aren't going to give you even an ounce of leverage, we are going to take a stand now Dtv are the ones who said we are going to pull all the stations. Fox obviously caved on some of it, or we would have lost the channels. I haven't seen any of the other fox networks show up yet on DirecTV, have you?
From Alan's list, I'll take the following.
Fox Movie Channel
H2 (formerly History International)
Home Shopping Network
Lifetime Movie Network
National Geographic Wild
Oprah Winfrey Network
Turner Classic Movies
I didnt see Chiller on the list so add that one too.
Some that I left on the list are obviously Mrs Xsabres' choices. On a related note, if you are going to sell something on tv (QVC, HSN, etc) wouldnt you want it seen in the best possible way?
Chiller isn't available in HD yet. NBC originally planned to launch Chiller and Sleuth (now Cloo) in HD back around October 2010, but cancelled the launch due to business reasons.
NBC: No Broadcast Content
would be nice to see reelz get the HD.. they have good movies on there.. saw calitos way recently on reelz ...
I wasnt sure. I searched for it yesterday and never found anything saying yes or no. Chiller's PQ is atrocious. It's sad when their web content has better PQ than the channel.
There is that and the fact that when they have something that might be borderline good, they pull the plug rather than do what it takes to improve the show.
Nothing But Crap
All due respect - what evidence do you have that they'll "yank" Disney networks or any network for that matter? All their PR bluster? Can't be that. It must be all the examples of them doing this in the past... like... and... and there was also... Frankly - you can really only point to 1 recent example. Vs. which let's be honest - ESPN aint Vs. And it's certainly not G4. The truth is that Directv has a success rate in the high 90s for carriage agreements renewals.
Back to Fox deal as an example... I'm realistic enough to believe that both sides probably won some points, and lost others. I also - seemingly unlike you - don't believe Directv is my friend or is any way concerned about my wallet any further than deteriming the bare minimum service level they can provide me with to keep me as a customer and attract the new customer set they desire. But those are beliefs based on blind faith - like my kid believes in Santa Claus.
What I know... that's different. What I know is that Directv has a great track record with keeping channels on, and that Fox Networks didn't disappear for even a second.What i know is that regardless of what the deal looked like - Fox Networks didn't disappear for even a second because D* knew they needed to get a deal done. They knew that it was in their best interest to get a deal done because they weren't dealing G4 or MSG level of network that no one cares about. More simply, they knew that it would hurt their churn numbers to lose networks like FX and all the FSNs (which their long list of MLB, NHL, and NBA teams calling FSN home in most major markets). You show me an MSO that doesn't care about attracting and retaining customers, and I'll show you one that will shortly be out of business.
Now I also know by your avatar that you are a sports fan... If you don't think people will leave D* in droves over a prolonged absence of ESPN and ABC, you are deluding yourself. I cannot imagine Mike White or Derek Chang - pig headed though they may be - saying, "sorry Directv customers, we feel its in your best interst not to watch the BCS National Championship, Premier College Football throughout the year, MNF, etc - but remember we're the leader in sports!". What's even more true is that D* routinely prides itself in its ability to go after and win affluent customers. Paying more for less HD is one thing - but who do you in that group that will willingly forgo even the most basic of cable channels let alone a popular local networ (in Top 10 markets like New York, LA, Chicago, Philadelphia, San Francisco and Houston no less). You can imagine the household conversation now... Husand: Directv doesn't have ESPN... WTH? Wife: No ABC either, how am i going to watch the Bachelor.. Family: screw this lets call Comcast.
They can't afford not to make a deal. Not saying they'll bend over and give Disney whatever they want, but a deal will get made.
DirecTV has obviously changed its tune lately. There have been far more known and last min deals on not just fox, but all kinds of lil channels as well. Vs was a big one, and just the beginning. I am afraid we won't see the pac12 channels and scared they may forgo the new lakers channel as well, till they can get a deal they like. DirecTV has said they are going to begin pushing back and they obviously did more so than normal with the whole fox thing.
Why on earth you think I think DirecTV is concerned about my wallet is beyond me. I don't. I think they are concerned about their wallet. They can only raise prices to us so much at a time without creating to much backlash, and they have to maintain a certain profit margin to keep their stock price where they want it. That means they now need to start playing the game where they threaten to and do end some channels to save on their costs, not our wallets. Blind faith my caboose. I won't say DirecTV wants to present me with the bear minimum either. They are keeping their customers because they do have more value added stuff, but they also realize they can trim some offerings if their other offerings are superior to other providers.
I think that DirecTV got a lot more than you think they did, but that fox got a lot too. I haven't seen all the missing fox channels show up, and get added, as well as the missing hd feeds yet, have you? I think fox blinked. There is nothing to say they didn't. People would have stayed with dtv for a while To see what happens before truly leaving in droves, so it's impact would have taken a little while to really hit DirecTV. The impact would have been immediate for fox, which would have lost millions in ad revenue immediately. Tell me why you thnk DirecTV blinked and fox didn't? Heck, look at dish. They don't have any RSNs from new York, and have at times lost several Disney channels. Don't thnk that DirecTV is above doing that. When they look at the economics of it all, if they would loose less money by dumping a station even the disney ones, for a while than be resigning a deal that increases their costs to much, they will dump the stations, and you know that Disney is one provider that is close to hitting that point, just as fox was.
It was a game, we all know that eventually they would have come to an agreement, even if the stations had been pulled for a while, but not till it made economic sense for DirecTV. You want a mso that doesn't care about attracting customers at the detriment to their bottom line, look at dish. They haven't failed yet have they? No one set of channels will kill anyone. It's the overall package, and either way, loosing channels for a while won't kill a mso. Sometimes won't kill them ever if you look at dish.
If all Disney channels disappear forever, of course that'd hurt DirecTV badly, but I don't ever see that happening. I do see DirecTV pulling the channels for a while if that's what it takes to keep their costs down. And they may simply be keeping the channel package they have now, rather than allowing Disney to shove a bunch of additional features and channels down their throats at a large price in crease.
I think we both agree that a deal will be made, but I think we differ on how fa DirecTV is willing to go in a fight right now. They went further with fox than they had ever gone before, and as much as everyone says DirecTV needs this channel and that channel, the amount of money someone like Disney or fox would loose if their subs suddenly dropped by 20 million is far more than DirecTV would loose over the course of say a quarter if they dropped those channels. DirecTV has a lot of power too when they flex their muscle. I think that's why you don't hear too much about their fights, or at least didn't used to. But channels are getting greedier, and DirecTV is not in the mood to let them cut their profits like they want to.
My list, in order of preference:
National Geographic Wild
Turner Classic Movies
Lifetime Movie Network FTW! (For The Wife)
You meen Lifetime Movie Network = The Man Hater Channel!
I thought the man hater channel was the Oprah network.
I want every HD channel that D* doesn't currently offer, and any future HD channels that have yet to launch.
See you in 2014!
This lack of new HD is pretty sad.
Now that's more like it! Cheers!
Yeah, that one is a man hater channel too! One is fiction, one is non fiction.