DIRECTV HD Channel Anticipation (Official Q1-18 Thread)

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  1. Jan 1, 2018 #21 of 251
    Billzebub

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    It would help us to appreciate your argument if you had some facts. Investigation Discovery has almost all original programming at this point. While it’s not my cup of tea, my wife and many more like her watch it all day. Joe Kenda (Homicide Hunter) is a big celebrity

    So we need a massive purging of channels, even though these channels have what you term a tiny niche of customers (although I doubt your position based on your reading of Investigation Discovery) because you don’t want them. By all means, cut the cord, no one is forcing you to buy a cable or sattilite package.

    Can I assume you will be the judge of what channels are lousy and which ones stay or will you allow others to have input.

    I’ll believe that tv bundles wil be gone in a decade right after soccer becomes this country’s #1 spectator sport. Sure, streaming will grow, but I think your zealotry is misplaced.
     
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    theloudhouse5

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    I HOPE
     
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    jacinkcmo

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    Would be nice if they would drop the official Russia propaganda channel - RT
     
  4. Jan 1, 2018 #24 of 251
    AngryManMLS

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    RT is paying to be on DirecTV so more than likely not going to be dropped.
     
  5. Jan 1, 2018 #25 of 251
    Soccernut

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    GolTV HD, Azteca HD and TyC Sports HD please!
     
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    oriolesmagic

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    If I were to predict the next 4 to launch, I'd say HSN HD, Discovery Life HD, Logo HD and UP HD.
     
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    mrsdrgn

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    These are a must for the Spanish package.
     
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    mrsdrgn

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    First off I can't believe that in 2018 SD is still around. The first thing the FCC should do is to make it mandatory to carry HD feed if HD feed is available.
     
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    TheRatPatrol

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    Then why did they resign with them?
     
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    Coca Cola Kid

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    That's not the FCC's job. They only regulate broadcast stations, not cable/satellite.
     
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    Coca Cola Kid

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    My mistake again, you're their lawyer who writes up the new contracts, and you work for an outside firm so technically you're not an employee. How else would you know when HD feeds are going to launch weeks before they do? There's never press releases about these "bottom of the barrel" channels adding HD feeds more. Also your super long posts in this thread remind me of legal briefs. I'm related to 5 lawyers (and used to work for 4 of them) so I know what they look like.
     
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    KyL416

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    Nope, not a lawyer either, I have no professional, working or financial relationship with DirecTV outside of being a subscriber. (BTW, Lawyer's not the only profession where detailed writings are needed, it's also needed for professions that have technical writeups where you have to account for what should be the most obvious things since you have no idea of the skill or training level of the person reading instructions.)

    As for knowing about "bottom of the barrel" channels having HD feeds, you just got to know where to look. Most of them have tech info for their master feeds in an affiliates section on their website where this would be indicated, or on their distribution partner's sites like Olympusat. Another resource is the public utility commission's website for states where cable is still heavily regulated like Connecticut so nearly every programming change is posted on their site's public notices. Others have just been found while I was prepping some comparison lists to find out what's available to add, i.e. Centurylink Prism and Google Fiber carry many of those "bottom of the barrel" channels in HD, and depending on the market Cox and Charter have many of those Spanish channels in HD.
     
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    James Long

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    Incorrect. The licenses DIRECTV and DISH use on their satellites are issued by the FCC. The satellites DIRECTV and DISH launch must be approved by the FCC. The ground stations DIRECTV and DISH use must be approved by the FCC. See: International Bureau Satellite Division

    As far as content goes, the satellite providers are required to maintain a public file with the FCC. You can find such files on the FCC website.
    (And if one wants to get picky, the FCC regulates a lot more than broadcast. So their realm is much bigger than "broadcast stations".)

    That being said, I believe it would take an act of congress to have the FCC require "cable channels" that have an HD feed to be carried in HD. There is a HD requirement for carrying local stations (carry one in HD in a market, offer HD carriage to all in a market). The corollary is if no local channel in a market is carried in HD no HD carriage of locals is required in that market (satellite carriers can have all SD markets).
     
  14. Jan 2, 2018 #34 of 251
    inkahauts

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    Eh all the channels I watch are in Hi Definition already really... but I’d like to see UP and hallmark drama added in Hi Definition for my mom. I know she watches or would watch those channels quite a bit.
     
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    Interesting. It sort of came out of nowhere, I've rarely heard anyone talk about it.

    I still can't figure out why channels wouldn't want to immediately provide an HD feed to DirecTV if DirecTV currently paid for their SD feed, since it should mean more viewership, plus their channel name and brand would appear in a bunch of announcements about new HD channel ads, providing them some free advertising.

    Pay TV MSOs can't continue to pay more and more for content, bundle prices have already skyrocketed due to content provider greed.

    SNY is a sketchy channel. It is owned by a bunch of cable companies, and they appear to be playing dirty and blocking it from VMVPDs, as none of them have SNY available.

    Yes, RT is propaganda, but for the sake of perspective, I wish that every cable and satellite provider would carry a variety of feeds from major news outlets globally, like BBC, RT, Al Jazeera, CCTV, NHK, etc.

    I'm not really sure what you're going to get out of regulatory notices in CT, they are years behind. You might be able to get something from a Cox or Frontier lineup, since Frontier (ex U-Verse) is IPTV, so they have like 200 HD channels, although their lineup is still fairly similar to AT&T U-Verse, since they inherited the contracts from AT&T. Cox uses SDV, so they do have quite a bit of obscure stuff. Comcast doesn't use SDV, and over-compresses their HD, and has a very limited HD lineup (around 120 channels total on rebuilt systems, fewer on non-rebuilt system). I believe DirecTV has about 145 national HDs(???) plus RSNs and locals.

    What would really be nice is if satellite were allowed to carry the same SV locals as cable and IPTV competitors in the same ZIP code. They currently have a different set of rules that I don't completely understand, but limits what they can carry, and there are glaring holes in satellite SV carriage. Many of these SV stations (like NYC stations in Southern CT) are too far away to get even with deepest fringe antennas, at least with 8VSB. Maybe that will change with 3.0 and make the whole point moot, however.
     
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    The Data actually backs me up. There are only a few dozen channels that actually have mass viewership, and the tail is really, really long. Most viewers wouldn't notice if you took the top 50 or so channels and purged everything else. The industry is ripe for some consolidation and purging.


    I wish lol. But really, the data, based not just on total viewership, but cost to carry would be pretty useful to figure this stuff out, and based on that, some calculations could determine what channels should go out of business.

    So, if you actually read my post, I didn't say that all bundles would be gone, but rather that the pay tv landscape isn't going to look like it does today, and that bundles will be very different, with the giant mega-bundles gone.

    The fact of the matter is that pay tv is losing a net 3-4 million subscribers per year to cord cutting, and it's actually slightly worse than the numbers suggest, as there are something like 500,000 net new housing starts per year even after you net out the 250,000 or so houses that are condemned/torn down/abandoned. Beyond that, you have skinny bundles and cord shaving that is keeping numbers up for cable and fiber MSOs, but hurting channels deeper into the cable lineup, and Comcast and Verizon and a few other MSOs have a few million more subscribers "hidden" in cheap bundles that people get just for internet, and make no economic sense for the MSOs, and when they eventually give up on that, those will purge out of the system over 24-36 months.

    That all being said, VMVPDs will see some growth, although what percentage of cord cutters they are able to re-capture remains to be seen after a great year for their growth as pent up demand for their niche has been washed out of the system.

    Producing a channel is basically a fixed cost operation whether you have 50 million subs or 100 million subs, so the economics on cord cutting mean that a lot of marginally profitable channels are going to get purged out of the system over the next decade. VMVPDs and skinny bundles may insulate some of the more popular cable channels somewhat from cord cutting.

    So, one way or another, the big mega-bundles are going to disappear. Whether channels just fail one by one, and make the big mega-bundles smaller mega-bundles, or whether MVPDs take a more active approach and offer more a la carte genre or broadcaster packages remains to be seen.

    DirecTV may be the last of giants to have the big bundles, and if that's the case, DirecTV's subscriber numbers will look more like 5 million than 20 million. That's not necessarily a bad thing, as DirecTV's flavor of satellite delivery has three primary niches (rural, commercial, and high-end), and will continue to remain viable well into the future, no matter what pay tv bundles look like, or what segment of the market DirecTV wants to occupy.
     
  17. Jan 2, 2018 #37 of 251
    James Long

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    The SV rules were originally written for cable and are a mess. They are just one of the many ways a channel can be carried on cable, which focuses on actual OTA coverage of the cable community in question. They scheme allowed stations that were being received OTA by a significant number of viewers to force carriage on cable systems. But if a station was already carried there would be no need to invoke Significantly Viewed. So some stations may have never sought that status. Plus, for satellite, it is an optional coverage (not forced) - and satellite carriers would rather have the same locals for an entire market, not some locals for one community and different locals for a neighbor.

    Requiring satellite to deliver every channel that reaches a customer's zip code via OTA (defined coverage area) would be good. But the same stations who would be pushing FOR this expansion of coverage would be pushing against other stations infringing on their market. So there is no one to champion the cause.
     
  18. Jan 2, 2018 #38 of 251
    inkahauts

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    Part of the reason they have so many channels is so they can spread out their programs amoung different channels and repeats them more so they can sell more ads to their better shows. Consolidating their channels would lower the amount of commercials to sell and would make them less mo eh so they’d want to charge more. That would be the simple and true argument against consolidating channels right now, like all of Viacom’s or Disney’s or discovery’s etc.

    Personally I think what’s ridiculous about all the channels is that to many don’t stick to their own format and try and have a variety of programs in an effort to get more viewers rather than making their stations more appealing to one specific target. I think that hurts them more than anything.

    Some consolidation would be fine with me but it won’t change our bills. Example... You combine the two FX and FXX channels and you’d have the total cost stay about the same if not more imho. So why bother.

    Truth is some of the companies want more channels as well so when they sell a streaming option they can have higher prices and show a collection from all their different channels. Kind of why disney is buying FOX after all.
     
  19. Jan 2, 2018 #39 of 251
    chino

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    Hi I Don’t have the chiller channel with my package I know the channel was supposed to close but on the guide they still have movies and shows does this channel still working or not??
     
  20. Jan 2, 2018 #40 of 251
    theloudhouse5

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    Thats just a fill in sheclude they haven't added channel no longer available yet to the other days
     
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