DIRECTV HD Channel Anticipation (Official Q1-18 Thread)

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  1. Jan 19, 2018 #81 of 251
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    SNY is a pretty important channel for them since DISH doesn't compete with them in the NYC and CT markets, and SNY and YES are required to compete in those markets. I wish SNY would get on some of the streaming services though, it's the last big hole for CT on PS Vue, Sling, etc.
     
  2. Jan 19, 2018 #82 of 251
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    AT&T Uverse just seems to warn people about upcoming negotiations, but aren't implying there's a strong chance any of those channels will go away. Imagine the threads here from worried people saying they're going to switch just in case if Directv published this list every quarter, and something like ESPN or HBO was on it!
     
  3. Jan 19, 2018 #83 of 251
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    Something to remember is that whenever the last agreement would have been reached for U-Verse, AT&T had that service available in Connecticut. They've since sold that to Frontier.

    I don't think SNY is vulnerable to leave DirecTV, but it (and YES) may very well leave U-Verse. I do think they used to have MSG on that, and removed it after they left Connecticut. There's no in-market presence for U-Verse in the NY teams area, or anywhere remotely close to it.
     
  4. Jan 19, 2018 #84 of 251
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    GO HUSKIES!
     
  5. Jan 19, 2018 #85 of 251
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    True, they might leave U-Verse, even though they are required for DirecTV's continued existence in Connecticut. They have a HUGE market with YES, as Comcast didn't have YES for a while, and now Atlantic Broadband in New London doesn't have YES, so DirecTV dishes grow there like weeds. DISH exists here, but since they don't have YES or SNY, they are few and far between. Whenever SNY is up next for a contract, hopefully AT&T will include DirecTV NOW and break the dam on SNY on streaming services.

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  6. Jan 20, 2018 #86 of 251
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    What does SNY carry?
     
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    Mets, UConn Huskies, and the NCAA package carried by the NBC Sports (former CSN) stations.
     
  8. Jan 20, 2018 #88 of 251
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    The Mets - and that's my team, playing my favorite sport. So that would be a show-stopper for me.
     
  9. Jan 20, 2018 #89 of 251
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    Yeah, before the Huskies, they were a NYC/Fairfield County channel, and nobody up here cared. The Huskies deal was brilliant- now they are an absolute must-have for all of CT.
     
  10. Jan 21, 2018 #90 of 251
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    Well I wouldn’t expect to see a streaming version of a channel for an mlb tv team. They seem to want that to all happen via the mlb extra innings stuff. And around here, the Dodgers channel doesn’t even have a streaming channel. But Lakers do so they seem to be keeping baseball off individual streaming channels to me... does any RSN have and show a mlb team via streaming version of that RSN channel?
     
  11. Jan 21, 2018 #91 of 251
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    The NBC Sports stations stream 24/7 via the NBC Sports app, while SNY only streams Mets games and some NCAA sports online via the NBC Sports app, NESN also has a 24/7 stream via NESN Go. YES and the FSN stations do their streaming as more of a show by show basis thing via Fox Sports Go instead of a 24/7 linear stream, but they all stream their MLB games online in market.

    Root Sports and AT&T Sportsnet had live in market streaming MLB games via a link on their website last season, but they are launching live 24/7 streams in the very near future via apps. (To the point where the apps are already on the google play store but not available to download yet)

    The ones that still don't have in market MLB streaming are Sportsnet LA (Dodgers) and MASN (Nats and Orioles)
     
  12. Jan 21, 2018 #92 of 251
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    YES is on PS VUE. SNY is likely being held back because cable companies own it, so they're acting as a cartel and only doing agreements with physical MVPDs.
     
  13. Jan 21, 2018 #93 of 251
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    That doesn't make any sense. Losing a customer to streaming is no different than losing a customer to satellite as far as the cable companies that own SNY are concerned. Probably they charge a lot for it, and like Dish the streamers won't pay it.

    Streaming is also a problem for regional sports networks in general. They have a model of charging a lot more for local fans than people halfway across the country, but it is pretty easy to make your location appear to be whatever you want. Someone who lives in Manhattan could use a proxy or VPN to make it look like they were in Tennessee or Idaho and pay out of market rates for expensive NYC RSNs. I think RSNs are going to be very slow to make deals with streamers for this reason alone - they will insist they block customers from accessing via commercial VPN sites at the very least.
     
  14. Jan 21, 2018 #94 of 251
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    Or if you want the actual answer, SNY didn't get in market streaming rights for the MLB until last year, so they couldn't sign on with these streaming providers when they made their initial deals with NBC Unviersal (who handles SNY and the other NBC Sports stations).

    BTW, the NBC Sports (fka-COMCAST SportsNet) RSNs are on DTV Now, PS Vue, Hulu, FuboTV, YouTube TV, CenturyLink Stream, and Sling TV. So much for your "acting as a cartel and only doing agreements with physical MVPDs" conspiracy theory...
     
  15. Jan 21, 2018 #95 of 251
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    Well Comcast may not really have a choice, didn't they have to agree to play nice for 5 or 7 years for the government to allow them to purchase NBC Universal?
     
  16. Jan 21, 2018 #96 of 251
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    SNY is co-owned by Comcast, who also handles their affiliate relations. (Including negotiations, renewals and launches)

    The ONLY reason why SNY has been left out of OTT providers was because they didn't have a streaming rights deal with MLB. By the time they made one all those providers already made their deals with NBCU. It has NOTHING to do with Comcast and the then-Time Warner Cable conspiring to keep it off competitors. (Heck, DTV Now doesn't even have their own AT&T/Root RSNs for similar reasons, the lack of in market NBA, MLS and NHL streaming rights)


    This isn't limited to RSNs either. OTT providers have frequent blackouts and replacement programming on regular cable channels like A&E, AMC, IFC, Sundance, WE, History, Lifetime, USA, Syfy and even locals when the channel doesn't have the streaming rights to certain shows and movies.
     
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    1. They're not as worried about D* because D* is really, really expensive, and some people live in apartments or condos that don't have LOS.

    2. They can't withold entirely from D*, as they would lose too big of a chunk of their market, and possibly be subject to investigation by the government for antitrust (or at least they would have been pre-2017).

    I believe they only offer the RSNs to in-market customers, so if you goof around with the VPNs, you get somebody else's RSNs.

    I'm sticking with the conspiracy. Unless somebody really bungled up the contract wording (which is entirely possible in it's own right), a VMVPD would be the same category as an MVPD, not as TV anywhere type of streaming.

    Hopefully I'll be proven wrong if NBCU goes back and amends the contract to allow SNY on PS Vue. I would assume if your theory is right, then they would want to do that to get the most possible subscribers.

    Somebody really bungled up a contract is a VMVPD is considered to be "streaming", not a pay tv provider like it actually is. "Streaming" should only cover web- and app-based TV anywhere type of things or standalone package streaming.
     
  18. Jan 22, 2018 #98 of 251
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    We've learned with Directv, Dish and cable companies they only add channels or add them in HD when a contract is redone - the SEC Network being the only exception I can recall. Given that, the chance of the NBCU contract being amended to allow SNY before its expiration and renegotiation is IMHO near zero.


    That's the way it is everywhere. Just because a streamer offers packages similar to what cable/satellite does, doesn't make them different. I believe the way they make the distinction currently is whether the content flows across the internet or private networks. I'm basing that on the fact Uverse and Layer3, which are IP based streaming products offered in 'packages' just like cable/satellite/PSVue/Sling/DirectvNow but travel entirely across private networks, are considered traditional MVPDs in contracts.

    Since Uverse/Layer3 are in a private network situation you can't take your e.g. Uverse equipment to another location, while with PSVue you (or anyone else) can use it anywhere. Maybe if PSVue required a set top, and they could guarantee it is at a fixed location (either via GPS in the unit or some arrangement with ISPs to be able to guarantee that even across IP address changes) then possibly networks would be willing to consider treating it like a true MVPD.
     
  19. Jan 22, 2018 #99 of 251
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    That's not a good sign. Maybe DTV NOW will pick it up sooner. Aren't they doing streaming for all channels that come up for renewal for D* and U-Verse?

    Wow, that's too bad. I can see where they drew the line, but it obviously make absolutely no sense, and is 100% arbitrary as a VMVPD is no different from a cableco to the content provider, or at least it shouldn't be any different.
     
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    Its very different. You can't share your cable with your kid in school 1000 miles away, but you can with streamers. Theoretically they can use geolocation to prevent simultaneous use from different locations, but geolocation isn't all that reliable (doesn't work AT ALL with some cellular providers) and it is very easy to get around with proxies or VPNs.
     
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