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DIRECTV HD Channel Anticipation (Official Q2-12 Thread)

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Mike Bertelson, Mar 24, 2012.

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  1. May 29, 2012 #941 of 1602
    sigma1914

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    He's negotiating contracts, not doing technical aspects of channel delivery.
     
  2. May 29, 2012 #942 of 1602
    mdavej

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    U-verse is only crappy due to the physical constraints of sending HD video over twisted pairs designed to carry very low bandwidth audio. I think it's pretty amazing it's as good as it is. At least AT&T has most of the HD DirecTV is missing and a lot more (36 more channels to be exact). Hopefully York will be able to leverage his existing relationships and at least get DirecTV on par with his former employer content wise.

    I think Chang's departure is fantastic news. He is a finance guy with no interest whatsoever in technology. York is a tech guy who also knows how to make a profit and still build good relationships with providers, IOW, the perfect man for the job. Finally someone on our side.
     
  3. May 29, 2012 #943 of 1602
    tonyd79

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    I wish that life were always that simple and compartmentalized. It is not. Chang was aligned with the PQ issue even with his bottom of the barrel quotes. If this guy wants to up the amount of HD, he may push to lower the quality.

    Not that I think it is that much of a deal. Faces change all the time. Or should I say faces CHANG? LOL!
     
  4. May 29, 2012 #944 of 1602
    Hoosier205

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    Here is what he actually said:

    That is absolutely true. We already do have most of the important stuff in HD. If you look at all of the available HD channels, we already have most of them. We are left with three camps from that comment:

    • Those who understand what he was talking about (since it was/is perfectly clear)
    • Those who understand what he was talking about (since it was/is perfectly clear), but have chosen to twist it in order to favor their argument.
    • Those who do not understand what he was talking about and never will.

    If someone here can prove that we do not already have most of the important HD channels...I'm all ears.
     
  5. May 29, 2012 #945 of 1602
    RML81

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    In order to accept your challenge, we'd have to arrive an objective definition of "important," which I don't see as forthcoming. The one that seems to be in use by those arguing we have 99% of all the HD one could ever want is zero-sum: "I have what I want, so everything else is unimportant."
     
  6. May 29, 2012 #946 of 1602
    Alan Gordon

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    I understood what Hoosier205 meant...

    That being, I thought the same thing. :D

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  7. May 29, 2012 #947 of 1602
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    I think Chang's departure is fantastic news. He is a finance guy with no interest whatsoever in technology. York is a tech guy who also knows how to make a profit and still build good relationships with providers, IOW, the perfect man for the job. Finally someone on our side.[/QUOTE]

    Maybe Mike White takes the hint and leaves also. He gave away lots of freebies to new subs in the last two years. Built up lots of new subs that made shareholders happy with subscriber growth. Now that those freebies (Free HD) are going away, he will actually have to prove his worth by keeping subs with bills going up $10 (free HD).
    I don`t think he can do it.
    Maybe he can put himself on another episode of "Undercover Boss".
     
  8. May 29, 2012 #948 of 1602
    maartena

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    Another thing I don't like is their package structure. The "U-300" package for instance is the only one that includes MLB Network (and U-450 of course which is their equivilent to Premier), but it also includes Showtime.

    So in essence, if you want MLB Network, you HAVE to pay for Showtime. They dropped NHL Network recently, and I was actually more interested in that when I was looking at TV providers..... and when they were still carrying it, that channel too was in U-300.

    What if I don't want to pay for *any* Premium channels and still get MLB/NHL network? Nope, not possible. Swap out Showtime for HBO then as I like HBO better? Nope, want HBO and MLB network? You STILL have to pay for Showtime. And for Starz for that matter.

    Same is true for, among others, Investigation Discovery, NASA TV, Fox Movie Channel, NBA-TV, and a few MTV/VH1 sub channels. Want all those? Better be prepared to pay for Showtime/Starz.

    I really, really dislike their packaging structure.

    The other issue with U-Verse TV is that if you have U-Verse Internet as well, if you want 24/3 speed, you will have to remember that if you record 2 things at once, or watch 2 different HD stations in the house, your internet speed is being cut.

    The maximum profile rate for a U-Verse VDSL connection is 32 Mbps down and 5 Mbps up, in which TV, Phone and Internet services must fit. Each HD station is 5.6 Mbps bitrate, but takes about 6 Mbps (overhead?) per HD station off your profile. So if you have 24/3 Internet and 1 HD station, you are hitting 30 Mbps. If you turn on another TV, videoservices get priority, and 32 Mbps - 2x6 Mbps = 20 Mbps left for Internet. Turn on a 3d TV and there is 14 Mbps left for Internet.

    Then there is the DVR.... you get 1, and 1 only. Want 2 DVR's? Nope. Okay, how about expanding the 1 DVR you are allowed to go past their 320 Gb capacity? (500 Gb on newer models) Nope, can't do. Your family shall use 320 or 500 Gb, and thou shalt not get more.

    When I picked DirecTV.... there were just TOO many red flags with U-Verse's TV service, especially since I want FULL speed Internet, not get "whatever is left when an X amount of TV's/recordings are going at the same time".
     
  9. May 29, 2012 #949 of 1602
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    Wouldn't the technical aspects and PQ issues be more of Romulo's job? He is the top tech guy, I mean everything would have to run by him first before the CEO himself.

    I doubt the new guy will be the demise of HD picture quality. UVerse is technically limited bandwidth wise over twisted pair. They have to compress it enough so they can feed multiple streams into a household and still keep up with internet access. If UVerse was FTTH I doubt it would be known for soft HD pictures.

    Some things can take a little more compression anyway depending on the content. Bloomberg or HLN for example does not have to be given the same priority bandwidth as say CBS Sports. Totally different content, but it could still look easier on the eyes in a 16:9 AR format with a few more pixels per frame. Those news channels would benefit from more screen real estate for better, more informative tickers.
     
  10. May 29, 2012 #950 of 1602
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    Your definition of "the most important HD channels" is not necessarily the RIGHT definition. For me PERSONALLY, BBC America is an incredibly important addition to have in HD. But I was raised on British television, and lived in Europe for 28 years.

    I watched Top Gear when I still lived in The Netherlands, I love the Graham Norton Show, and have been a fan of Doctor Who for what seems decades, and love the new rendition.

    You are seeking proof that YOU are right, and you can probably very easily dismiss everything I say by providing ratings, numbers, and facts that BBC America HD really is not all that important in the big picture..... but that is not the point. (Unless you are one of those people who HAS to be right, then it always is the point :D )

    You can't decide for me, nor for others, nor for DirecTV what is considered a "most important HD channel". DirecTV may have 100% of "Hoosiers" covered, but only about 98% of "Maarten's". :D And in that remaining 2% I consider BBC America, H2 and DIY network important enough to be carried in HD.
     
  11. May 29, 2012 #951 of 1602
    maartena

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    Oh I agree completely. U-Verse has technology limitations, and this new guy isn't going backward in technology with DirecTV. Although he COULD decide of course to cram 1 more HD channel on each transponder or something, I don't expect this change of top brass to do anything to the PQ of DirecTV.
     
  12. May 29, 2012 #952 of 1602
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    Doesn't U-verse do fiber optic to the street, where it then goes through plain old twisted pair copper wires?
    And does FIOS go optic right to the STB?

    I don't have either possibility where I live.

    And, indeed, talking heads don't need nearly the bandwidth to convey good pictures as does lacrosse or any sport that has real movement. (Leaves out bowling and baseball....) and poker, 'ceptin' that's not a sport.
     
  13. May 29, 2012 #953 of 1602
    cypherx

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    Yeah its fiber to the node. The node to a block of homes is twisted pair. Fios is fiber to the home. On the side of the house is an ONT (Optical Network Terminal) which converts it to 860 MHz RF over Coax with MoCA for internet to an Actiontec MoCA router.

    The only advantage is when it storms real bad the signal does not go out. For example I have no DirecTV right now because its storming really bad so we are just treated to the bouncing DirecTV screen saver since the 771 message was on screen for so long.
     
  14. May 29, 2012 #954 of 1602
    Hoosier205

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    Of all the HD channels that actually exist, we already have the vast majority of the them. In order to have most we would need to have more than half. I'd place a heavy wager on DirecTV customers already having what HD channels are most important to them. The odds of what HD channels we don't have accounting for more than half of what someone considers important...well...good luck.
     
  15. May 29, 2012 #955 of 1602
    Alan Gordon

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    You have a point about the packaging... :(

    That being said, the internet service is not an issue for DirecTV... though I must admit that I'd be jealous of 14mbps internet speed...

    I also don't think York will have anything to do with the hardware side of things, so I'm not worried about that! :)

    ~Alan
     
  16. May 29, 2012 #956 of 1602
    Alan Gordon

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    If Chang stated that DirecTV had the most popular channels, one would find "facts" to back up his statement.

    Considering he was stating this in an interview with a trade news site, one can put two and two together and realize that he was referring to channels that are important to DirecTV.

    However, every individual's opinion of what constitutes an "important" channel differs. Another thing is that while DirecTV might have the majority of a person's favorite channels, they may not have their FAVORITE channel,

    BTW... I'm probably somewhere between 60-40 and 70-30 when it comes to the amount of HD channels I care about on DirecTV versus the amount of HD channels I care about that they DON'T have.

    ~Alan
     
  17. May 29, 2012 #957 of 1602
    Davenlr

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    That might be true, but for it to be true for me, I have to pay Xfinity too.
     
  18. May 29, 2012 #958 of 1602
    Alan Gordon

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    Not that he reads this, but I personally wish Derek Chang well!

    While I may not be very happy about some of the missing HD channels, he's done a good job of not losing what we have, and hopefully got the ball rolling on many more coming our way "SOON"! :)

    ~Alan
     
  19. May 29, 2012 #959 of 1602
    Hoosier205

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    Right...so your claim is that all the channels not available via DirecTV, that are most important to you, amount to more than half of the total number of HD channels (available via DirecTV or not) most important to you?
     
  20. May 29, 2012 #960 of 1602
    Davenlr

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    I have no idea what you just said. All I said was I need Xfinity to get my favorite channels in HD (H2 and DIY, HLN), which account for about 60% of my weekend viewing. And I get all those other channels everyone here is asking for in HD as well, if that matters. I claim nothing more, and nothing less. Just stating a fact as it relates to my personal viewing.
     
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