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DIRECTV HD Channel Anticipation (Official Q2-13 Thread)

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Mike Bertelson, Mar 26, 2013.

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  1. Jun 3, 2013 #581 of 751

    sigma1914 Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

    Sep 5, 2006
    Allen, TX
    There's a few other commercials in HD for channels we don't get in HD. MTV2 is one and we haven't gotten that in years.
  2. Jun 3, 2013 #582 of 751

    cypherx Hall Of Fame

    Aug 27, 2010
    PA - Berks...
    Just makes me wonder how much of this is contractual vs. technology barriers.

    If the network advertises in HD, then surely it sees the value in HD and wants its advertisement shown in the best possible picture quality. Wouldn't it want it's network also in the best possible picture quality so people can enjoy the programming as the content producers intended? If so then why charge providers more for the HD version of their network? Surely they see HD advertising has better impact that they, themselves use it. So they can put the charge on their advertisers, not their distributors.

    I've seen a fair share of poor quality SD upconverted (and pillarboxed) commercials on HD channels. Of course the sharp HD ones that fill the entire screen make more of an impact.
  3. Jun 3, 2013 #583 of 751
    Alan Gordon

    Alan Gordon Chancellor

    Jun 7, 2004
    Dawson, Georgia
    My list hasn't changed from 2Q (quoted below... with one edit). Overall... I'm pretty happy with my channel lineup.

    The only Series Links I have set up for SD channels are Series Links for programming from The CW. I'd LOVE for DirecTV to add HD versions of the (currently SD-only) DNS feeds for The CW, but my local affiliate is planning on upgrading to HD sometime this Summer, so I feel my best chance of getting The CW in HD during the next two quarters is from them.

  4. Jun 3, 2013 #584 of 751

    fleckrj Icon

    Sep 4, 2009
    Cary, NC
    The commercial was on Food Network, and DirecTV does broadcast Food Network in HD. DirecTV can show everything on Food Network in HD The low quality commercials you have seen on HD channels are because that is the way the commercial was produced. DirecTV does not lower the quality of the commercials - they just pass on what they receive. Not all commercials are produced in HD, even if they are shown on HD channels.

    You would think that the content providers would want their product shown in its best way; however, the content providers know that they can demand more for HD and they take as much money as they can get from the advertisers AND the distributors. You can call it greed or you can say it is just the free market at work, but either way, the content providers are going to get whatever the market will bear. If they think they can get DirecTV to pay more to broadcast the HD version, they will demand the money.

    Advertising, though, has nothing to do with whether DirecTV shows the channel in HD. The channels produce the advertisements and show them on whatever channel they can in the resolution that DirecTV shows the channel airing the advertisement - not the resolution that the chanel being advertised is shown on DirecTV. That same ad is probably used on multiple providers (Dish, TWC, Charter, U-Verse, etc) with just the overlay with the channel number changed.
  5. Jun 3, 2013 #585 of 751

    jle1639 Member

    Apr 15, 2013
    dothan al
    hi alan we got a nbc station here in dothan it own by grey television .how long will it be before d have it for our local nbc here.it om 23.1 and 23.2 cw is in hd now?
  6. Jun 3, 2013 #586 of 751
    Alan Gordon

    Alan Gordon Chancellor

    Jun 7, 2004
    Dawson, Georgia
    Wrong thread for that question...

    The answer (here) is the same though. That's a question you'll need to ask your local affiliate about.
  7. Jun 3, 2013 #587 of 751

    cypherx Hall Of Fame

    Aug 27, 2010
    PA - Berks...
    Well fleckrj, you make some good points.

    I do think when D14 goes live that there will be lots of capacity to go around. I can see them reserve some for DR purposes, but there should be enough open slots where they can finish up the HD additions.

    Thankfully 95% of the "good stuff" went HD within the last year.
  8. Jun 5, 2013 #588 of 751

    georule Hall Of Fame

    Mar 31, 2010
    I suspect the smaller channels do better from advertising revenue than subscription revenue (tho of course they'd like to maximize both). To the degree not being available in HD begins to increasingly impact their viewer numbers, it impacts both of those source of revenues, and probably advertising more than sub fees (since the sub fees are so low anyway).

    Which is a long way of saying while they'd like to charge the cable/sat companies more for HD, they also have their own reasons not to, and likely balance those two desires in actual pricing.
  9. Jun 8, 2013 #589 of 751

    whitewolf8214 AllStar

    Jun 12, 2012
    I would take these in HD but not in any order MOST WANTED (HD duplicates) ADDITIONS
    Fox Movie Channel
    The Hub
    FUNimation Channel The Blaze (SD OR HD preferably HD) Heard they are negotiating on this channel EPIX 1,2,3 More Premiums channels in HD of the HBO,Starz,Showtime,Cinemax that are not in HD
    NASATV The Pentagon Channel Reelz Channel Centric UP
    Ovation TV
    TV Guide Channel
    TVOne Chiller in HD Cloo in HD
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  10. Jun 8, 2013 #590 of 751

    damondlt New Member

    Feb 27, 2006
    I think out of these its only the rest of the Encores, OuterMax, and TMC west .
    They could add the Starz Plex channels , but again looking at the guide there is nothing they have that can't be watched on Encore or Starz.

    Epix would be a nice offering too.

    Honestly I would rather see some more neighboring local options as well as some more local sub channels.
  11. Jun 9, 2013 #591 of 751

    JoeTheDragon Hall Of Fame

    Jul 21, 2008
    chiller HD
    USN HD the free view just shows how bad it looks in SD. Better be HD in time for the 2014 games if NBC puts any live events on it.
    CSN Chicago + 2 HD (if it happens)
    weather scan HD (the weather channel has to much non live shows on it now days) or just add WeatherNation TV HD
  12. Jun 9, 2013 #592 of 751

    KyL416 Hall Of Fame

    Nov 10, 2005
    Tobyhanna, PA
    Have you ever watched Weatherscan? It is not an actual national channel with programming nor is it used to provided breaking weather coverage. It's just local on the 8s on a loop and generated locally by a computer at the cable system's headend. You won't be getting anything you can't already get by pressing the red button when you turn on channel 362.
  13. Jun 9, 2013 #593 of 751

    ep1974 Legend

    May 22, 2010
    Would like the rest of the Encores and an option to purchase Epix would also be good.. Still also hoping for Reelz HD and Fox Movie Channel HD. Hopefully in the next month or two, some of these will show up.
  14. Jun 9, 2013 #594 of 751

    APB101 Icon

    Sep 1, 2010
    A while ago it was mentioned that it is figured there are 16 slots available for additional HD, prior to 2014, and the [second] paragraph is my way of creating room to make that 20. (Of course this doesn't regard current details in programming contracts.)

    If I was in charge at DirecTV and could do whatever the hell ... I would eliminate, until D14 in 2014, the west-coast feeds of Disney Channel (ch. 291), Cartoon Network (ch. 296), Nickelodeon (ch. 300), and premium-movie services HBO (ch. 504), HBO 2 (ch. 505), HBO Family (ch. 508), Cinemax (ch. 516), Starz (ch. 528), Encore (ch. 536), Showtime (ch. 546), and The Movie Channel (ch. 555). I would return them all after D14 is successfully launched ... and carry them both in SD and HD.

    Of the 20, I would start with four of the following:
    605 Sportsman Channel HD
    606 Outdoor Channel HD
    625 Universal Sports HD
    6xx Comcast Philadelphia HD
    6xx Comcast Houston HD
    6xx Comcast Northwest HD

    * WITH *
    xxx Pac-12 Network HD

    Of the remaining 16, I would choose among the following:
    233 GSN HD
    235 Style Network HD
    238 Reelz Channel HD
    240 Home Shopping Network HD
    251 Oxygen HD
    258 Fox Movie Channel HD
    260 We TV HD
    274 Ovation HD
    275 QVC HD
    294 The Hub HD
    295 PBS Kids Sprout HD
    328 TV One HD
    333 MTV2 HD
    338 UP HD
    339 Fuse HD
    404 Galavision HD
    540 Encore Drama HD
    558 Sundance Channel HD

    After D14 becomes successfully launched, I would add the remainder from the above plus the following:
    287 Military Channel HD
    350 C-Span HD
    351 C-Span 2 HD
    352 C-Span 3 HD
    524 OuterMax HD

    * AND *
    xxx ASPiRE HD
    xxx EPiX HD
    xxx EPiX Drive-In
    xxx EPiX 2 HD
    xxx EPiX 3 HD
    xxx Esquire HD
    xxx FEARnet HD
    xxx FUNimation HD
    xxx IndiePlex HD
    xxx MoviePlex
    xxx RetroPlex HD

    Along with the above, factor in the necessary sports and currently carried programming with an available linear HD being carried only in SD.
  15. Jun 9, 2013 #595 of 751

    ep1974 Legend

    May 22, 2010
    Any idea which quarter D14 will launch next year?
  16. Jun 9, 2013 #596 of 751

    HoTat2 Hall Of Fame

    Nov 16, 2005
    Officially, if all goes according to plan;

    Sometime in the 1st, but not placed into service until middle of the 2nd;

    From DIRECTV for D14 filed with the FCC;

    Estimated launch window:
    1/15/2014 - 3/1/2014

    Estimated time for placement into service:
  17. Jun 9, 2013 #597 of 751

    TheRatPatrol Hall Of Fame

    Oct 1, 2003
    Phoenix, AZ
    I don't think we will ever see CSN-Philly or CSN-NW on D*.

    CSN-Houston maybe.

    Pac 12 Network maybe.
  18. Jun 9, 2013 #598 of 751
    Alan Gordon

    Alan Gordon Chancellor

    Jun 7, 2004
    Dawson, Georgia
    Given the time zones and the content on these three channels, I suspect that not every one will agree with you.
  19. Jun 9, 2013 #599 of 751

    APB101 Icon

    Sep 1, 2010
    Which is why I also wrote, "I would return them all after D14 is successfully launched ... and carry them both in SD and HD."

    Sacrifices. In the short term.

    Everyone's favorite [ ...] just mentioned at his site that some Time Warner systems, in the west, are going to eliminate AMC's west-coast feed and offer just the east-coast version.

    I'm up for east- and west-coast feeds of the primary channels of premium-movie services HBO, Cinemax, Starz, Encore, Showtime, and some select basic-cable ones, like the already carried Cartoon Network, Disney Channel, Nickelodeon, and others, and would welcome, if enough bandwidth (after D14), additional ones like AMC and others. (I'm not on a crusade for that.)
  20. Jun 9, 2013 #600 of 751

    KyL416 Hall Of Fame

    Nov 10, 2005
    Tobyhanna, PA
    There's a reason why out of all the non premium channels, it's the 3 flagship kids channels that have the west coast feeds on both D* and E*. There's a huge difference between not having the west coast feed of a general entertainment network like AMC vs not having the west coast feeds of a kids network with different dayparts based on the viewing habits and daily schedules for kids in the timezone. Nick at Nite starts at 8pm on most nights, which is 5pm PT and 3pm in Hawaii, Adult Swim starts at 9pm ET (6pm PT/4pm HT), prior to early 2000s Disney Channel used to have a Vault Disney block overnight but now their split daypart is just limited to preschool programming. Extend it to the preschool blocks which are usually somewhere between 6am-1pm depending on the network and the time of the year, that's 3am-10am on the west and 1am - 8am in Hawaii. Even 24/7 digital networks like Disney Junior and Nick Jr now have different dayparts, Disney Junior shows some classic animated series and movies overnight, Nick Jr has a Nick Mom block overnight, but since they aren't the main channel, the chances of D* ever carrying their west coast feeds are slim to none.

    Good luck explaining to parents in half the country who then have to explain it to their kids why their favorite shows now air while they're still in school and why by the time they finish their homework, parental control kicks in and Cartoon Network is blocked for a short term sacrifice in favor of RSNs that only target a specific state. Most of the country are not early adopters like us, most people do not have a DVR in every room and the chances are the TV the kids are watching in the afternoon and at night before bedtime is a hand me down CRT in their bedroom and not the HDTV in the family room, if they have an HDTV at all. (Keep in mind even though recent stats say that about 50% of D* subscribers have HDTV service, it doesn't mean that every TV in the house is HD)

    I do see what you're getting at though since all these new RSNs will likely want SD distribution in addition to HD distribution to keep equal footing with the exisiting RSN the team abandoned. But the bandwidth will probably have to come from other places like PPV channels and the part time reserved space, meaning even less availability of Canadian feeds on Center Ice and Extra Innings and nights where OTA games won't be available at all on the packages. Something all these companies never thought about since everyone is launching their own RSNs these days and think bandwidth can come from nowhere. Even cable has the same problem since many of these RSNs want analog distribution if the existing RSNs have them, meaning another channel has to get sent to digital or dropped completely which drags existing contracts into play since no channel wants to be sent to digital while their main competition still has analog distribution. When Cablevision finally added YES, they replaced a PPV channel, SNY was lucky since the old Metro channel was shutdown at the same time and it took that slot, while the RSN overflow content that used to air on Metro returned to MSG2 and FSNY2 which interrupted C-SPAN2 and the channel guide.
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