DIRECTV HD Channel Anticipation (Official Q2 2011 Thread)

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  1. May 9, 2011 #2281 of 4112
    tuckerdog

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    I don't get why people assume that because DTV is doing well from aq numbers viewpoint it mitigates the right to complain about things in their business model that you don't like.
    My SO has a Mercedes Suv. A great car, handles well etc. Want to something, its Nav system sucks. Not intuitive, clunky and unreliable. Doesn't compare to my friends Hyundai.

    I've had DTV since 1996. Have everything they offer except for foreign. No nplans to change. No what, their tail dragging in adding TCM, AMC etc sucks. Choice of watching Bad Day at Black Rock with 4 Academy Award winners in HD or ShortsHD or Fusion HD, oh wait a minute I didn't have that choice.

    IF SR is insulted then he needs a thicker skin. If he is not here as a DTV rep but is on his own, then he is subject to respectful criticism as are we all. If he chooses to take his football home because he wasn't chosen first, so be it
     
  2. May 9, 2011 #2282 of 4112
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    Millions of people actually have some kind of premium channel tho. And why would DirecTV even consider cutting off a revenue stream like that? Too many SD boxes installed to deny them the ability to get premiums.
     
  3. May 9, 2011 #2283 of 4112
    slimoli

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    You missed what I said. There are millions of customers with SD receivers and NO premium movies. Those should continue to enjoy SD only. Those with SD receiver AND premiums would have the receiver replaced and only those . My assumption is that the number of customers with SD receivers and premium movie channels are much smaller than thoses with SD receivers and no premium movies. In other words , SD receivers WITH premium movies would continue to receive the same premium channels but would have the SD receiver replaced and signed for an extra 2 years like any other customer who gets a new receiver.

    Directv would not have any revenue cut at all , on the contrary, would keep those customers at least for another 2 years.
     
  4. May 9, 2011 #2284 of 4112
    wmb

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    The whole fly in the ointment here is the fact that the SD satellites will start hitting end of life in the next couple of years. Given a 5-year time horizon for a swap out, it won't be too long before they have to make a decision on the future of SD - as in, do you launch new satellites to replace the ones out there, or do you let the number of channels drop as the birds go offline.

    TIVO users may be the precedent.
     
  5. May 9, 2011 #2285 of 4112
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    No, they would be cutting revenue. Sooner or later, one of those SD only customers would want to add a premium. If it was required to upgrade to HD service to get a premium, a lot of them wont, either because they dont have an HDTV or they just dont see the point in it. But they will be dissuaded from ordering that rich, juicy premium by a requirement to upgrade their SD boxes to HD. So it *IS* cutting off revenue.
     
  6. May 9, 2011 #2286 of 4112
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    They would get a HD receiver for free and a new 2 year contract and would have to pay for the the premiums. No revenue would be cut and the capital expenditure (new receivers) would return in 2 or 3 years . This is even better than the customers who are already paying for the premiums.

    I am sure Directv would love to see more people paying for premiums and the receiver exchange certainly could be a nice bait.

    Another advantage of HD only is the fact that even on a SD display the picture would be much better than the terrible SD hiper-compressed by Directv squeezing too many SD channels in one transponder.
     
  7. May 9, 2011 #2287 of 4112
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    Proprietary information is my guess. At least that's how I take his (SR's) comments. He would be silly to tell us the amount of bandwidth available, if he even knows.
     
  8. May 9, 2011 #2288 of 4112
    Tom Robertson

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    Satellites don't care if they are re-broadcasting SD or HD. MPEG2 SD or MPEG4 SD. They just resend the data streams that are sent up.

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  9. May 9, 2011 #2289 of 4112
    Tom Robertson

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    You likely have described a part of the actual process DIRECTV will use as they get closer to the magic number--5 years from now. (Or more.)

    When DIRECTV started to migrate from MPEG2 HD to MPEG4 HD, that is exactly what they did. They picked groups of subs based on packages (or location) and enticed them to switch voluntarily. Until finally they could turn off the MPEG2 HD.

    What they also did was offer exciting new channels to get people to switch voluntarily and pay for the upgrades.

    The key element is that it must make financial sense for DIRECTV to start that migration. Right now it costs way too much to even think about it. Especially when everyone knows that a large number of people will pay to switch on their own over the next 5 years. HD TVs are growing, people are starting to notice "Hey, I have an HD TV but I guess I gotta actually get HD service to get that great picture". :) So paying switches are happening at a very manageable rate--and DIRECTV doesn't need the bandwidth yet.

    Now, if DIRECTV didn't have all those satellite slots--then the economics would be different. They would have to consider aggressive swaps.

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  10. ohioviper

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    Best advice I can give to all that are ticked over all the pay per view channels wasting bandwidth that should be for new basic HD channels.

    Dont ever never buy a pay per view and they will change their strategy.
     
  11. Dcm210

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    exactly. As fast as movies are coming to HBO,Starz,Showtime and etc.Theres no need for PPV and you got Vudu,Netflix and others besides premium movie channels.
     
  12. Tom Robertson

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    Hate to bust your bubble (and that of the DBSTalk owners) but if all 88,000 DBStalk members stopped buying DIRECTV PPV it wouldn't represent a drop in the 18M subscriber bucket. Obviously the general principle would work great, voting with one's wallet is an effective thing--the trick is to get enough wallets on your side.

    Then there are the contracts with the studios... I wouldn't be surprised if DIRECTV is required to have a minimum number of channels dedicated to PPV.

    Cheers,
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  13. Laxguy

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    Tom, I am sorry, but a reasoned approach with estimates and their bases (underlying assumptions), numbers and math, just has no place in this thread.
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  14. Laxguy

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    Heh, mebbe.... but reading does even more!

    ~~ Not sent from an iThing this time.....
     
  15. Tom Robertson

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    Sorry, my bad. I'm still getting over The Cold That Never Goes Away. :)

    Cheers,
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  16. James Long

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    A lot of the criticism has not been respectful. That is what hurts the situation the most. Constant harassment for not sharing more doesn't lead to more sharing.

    Are there exciting new channels left to add? Sure, there are a few HD channels that people here are clamoring for ... but there is also a lot of satisfaction with the lineup as is and the fact that there remain SD only customers on DirecTV shows that many people are happy with that level of service.

    I have not seen an exciting new channel in a couple of years. There have been a couple of new channels that are decent, but they also seem to be simply remarketing existing content as new channels - diluting the existing offerings. The industry seems to be stuck on divide and charge more.
     
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    Or, instead of doing it to change DIRECTV's business model, just reevaluate your purchase decisions to get the most for your dollars. After the end of the NFL season I dropped my package to select plus sports pack and EI. I haven't missed anything as I can get anything I want to see on Roku. I live in the middle of nowhere (rural western Minnesota) and can still get 10mb streaming from a mom and pop rural telephone company (Arvig), so I think the option must me available to most.

    I have never, and will never, rent PPV from any Satellite or Cable company. That's my personal choice and it isn't based on my wanting to change DIRECTV's business model or anyone else's viewing habits.

    I no longer get worked up about DIRECTV carrying AMC or TCM or BBC or any other channel that I'd like added. I came to the realization that I have no control over it. Because DIRECTV has unique sports offerings I'm not leaving them. But I'm not stewing over not being able to watch X, Y or Z program in HD because I have alternate and cost effective ways to view them.

    I don't watch TV to maximize DIRECTV's profits. I watch TV to see the programs I want to see and I prefer HD over SD. So if the programs I want to see aren't offered in HD on DIRECTV I look elsewhere.
     
  18. georule

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    Ummm. . . .did Tom just say "start thinking of D14 as a replacement for aging SD capability"?
     
  19. cebbigh

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    I thought D14 was intended for backup only. Is that wrong?
     
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    If they did all of that and cut out 30 SD channels how many HD channels would it buy them?
     
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