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DIRECTV HD Channel Anticipation (Official Q3-12 Thread)

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Mike Bertelson, Jun 29, 2012.

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  1. Jul 6, 2012 #381 of 3975
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    Here in metro Atlanta, Comcast's channel lineup was supposed to have a clue, but it veered off course. This market was comprised of smaller companies which came together as MediaOne, then acquired by AT&T Broadband prior to the Comcast acquisition. As my installer from last year told me, "to get the the HD channel equivalent of an SD, go to the 800's and the numbers should correspond (ABC SD is channel 3, HD 803). However, there are a few that don't match up". Then the HD premiums appear in the 700's, but as they removed several of the Cinemax/Showtime channels, the replacement channels appeared in the 700's with no match to their SD equivalent. It made no sense. They do have an option when watching an SD channel to "view in HD". Press that, and it automatically takes you to that channel. One of the things that would drive me nuts was my wife would scroll through the guide to an SD channel. I would say, let me help you, press the info button and switch to HD.

    I have seen Comcast in other markets that do have all of their HD channels in the 1000's. UVerse here in metro Atlanta follows the example of having all of the HD channels in the 1000's as well.

    The DirecTV model is great as it eliminates the guesswork where as to try to find an HD channel.
     
  2. Jul 6, 2012 #382 of 3975
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    Comcast in Flint has absolutely no rhyme or reason. I haven't had it in a few years, but it's completely schizophrenic. Oh plus the secondary (Detroit) stations are only turned on for their local news (thanks to the WEYI's inferiority complex). :mad:

    Official Comcast Flint lineup
     
  3. Jul 6, 2012 #383 of 3975
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    Yeah I had that issue.... someone told her that there was some great show on channel 4 (which is NBC here) and then of course she would set the DVR to record it off of channel 4..... whilst there is a HD channel at 404. :D

    She figured it out after a while, and after we decided to switch to DirecTV when we moved, she was happily surprised to know she didn't have to remember to look for the HD channels anymore.

    Only thing I wish with the DirecTV lineup is that basic cable starts in the 100s and 200s, and all the PPV stuff is pushed to the 900s, but I understand their reasoning on that. Other than that, DirecTV's channel lineup system beats cable every day.
     
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    Here they started out by pushing about 15-20 HD channels in the 400s, maybe thinking they would never fill it up or something... one of the things they did was put HBO, ShowTime, Starz, and CineMAX main channels within the 4xx lineup somewhere, something like 440, 441, 442, 443.... and those are still there, even though they have now made other premium channels HD as well. And yes, some of them would match (like the main broadcast networks, CNN, ESPN, etc, etc) to their old "analog" spot, but they started "fitting in" HD stations like BBC America which never had a pre-100 channel spot, so now they have 2 completely different numbers, not even closely related to each other.

    Of course, THEY DO have BBC America in HD. :D

    BTW, I was completely wrong in anticipating NO basic HD..... Now I think there might indeed be more coming. That, and of course the PAC12/TWC Sportsnet channels.
     
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    :bang Dude your West Coast bias is still showing. IMO they're NOT more important than FS New Orleans, CSN Houston, any of the other CSN's we've never had, or any non-sports basics. Argued your "points" til you're blue in the face, I won't be convinced otherwise.

    Oh and BTW, "high demand" means nothing without high priced contracts. Ask the people in Philly. :D
     
  6. Jul 6, 2012 #386 of 3975
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    I believe the TWC Sportsnet channels will be coming as well, and I've never been West of Mississippi! ;)

    I'm not really sure about the Pac-12 channels though...

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  7. Jul 6, 2012 #387 of 3975
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    Based on what? Lakers are good and/popular/in high demand? So what, Phillies, Flyers and and 76ers aren't too shabby either, and everyone in Philly has been wanting them there for years and years. Look at the CSN Philly thread here for God's sake. It's been open for 2 years and has had over 2,100 posts, as recently as May 21 of this year. Lots of Hispanics in LA? So what, there's lots of Hispanics in Houston too and they like baseball a lot as well. Oh and New Orleans, they're not just a football town any more. My point is the only thing in the TV industry that matters is money.
     
  8. Jul 6, 2012 #388 of 3975
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    I'd say FS New Orleans is important enough, as DirecTV currently carries the Hornets and is about to lose them. CSN Houston is also important enough as DirecTV carries the Astro's and is about to lose them. Losing customers is never good, and I anticipate they will do something to prevent that.

    However, the Astros won't switch till spring training in March, so I am not anticipating them to launch until Q1 2013, or maybe even Q2 2013 if they are just showing the main season and not spring training.

    (EDIT: Will leave the above in place, but I will change my post: Rockets will launch on CSN Houston in October, and I think that will get them a deal with DirecTV).

    I am thinking they will probably get a deal for FS New Orleans, so I will anticipate that one. Losing the Hornets is not a good idea for DirecTV.

    CSN Philly.... DirecTV NEVER EVER carried them, sports fans would have NEVER signed with DirecTV without it, so DirecTV doesn't stand to LOSE customers, they only stand to GAIN customers if they do sign with them. And then it just comes down to math: Comcast asks X, and is X a number low enough so we can make up the difference by signing Y new customers in the Philly area. The Philly situation is completely different, they won't have hundreds of thousands of customers running away in Philly if they also don't carry it next year. Or the year after. Or in the next 5 years. And as long as Comcast is asking a fortune, I think that market will retain its status-quo.

    As far as importance goes..... I think you do still underestimate the popularity of the Lakers, the popularity of DirecTV as a television provider, and what would happen if they were to lose the Lakers. Time Warner would have a very, very busy install schedule come October, and that isn't something DirecTV can afford.

    You might call it "biased", I am looking at the markets and see different things, different situations, different timelines, different market sizes and different histories. You can't just claim that no RSN's is more or less important than another without looking at the market the RSN is in.

    It just so happens that I know a little more about the Los Angeles area market because.... well... I live in it. As far as losing access to teams myself, I won't cry over them. I watch hockey, baseball, and soccer. I might lose access to L.A. Galaxy games if DirecTV doesn't sign with TWC, but that isn't enough for me to switch provider as well. Although my favorite English Pub where I go sometimes to watch soccer games might really be bummed about losing access to L.A. Galaxy (and Beckham).

    At this moment, I think the sports market in Los Angeles is the most important for DirecTV. You might find that opinion "biased", but I don't base this on being a fan of the team or the city, but knowing a little about the size of the market, its history, the sports situation, the popularity of DirecTV, and some other factors.... You may think no RSN is more important than another, but if you think that.... you clearly haven't looked at the individual markets, and what they are all about.

    I think DirecTV can go for many years without CSN Philly, but they will lose many customers in Los Angeles if they don't carry TWC Sportsnet.

    PAC12 same thing, those football teams in SoCal are incredibly popular. We don't need all 7 channels really, but SoCal is going to want USC and UCLA games, and all of them. And there are actually quite a few Oregon Ducks fans down here as well, ironically. :D

    So I anticipate FS New Orleans. The Hornets are pretty big, and DirecTV really needs to carry that team to not lose customers in that area. CNN reported years ago, months after Katrina, that satellite providers saw a pretty nice boost of business after the hurricane, as the cabled infrastructure needed time to rebuild, but a dish needs nothing more then electricity. So DirecTV probably picked up plenty of customers in the region.

    In short:

    TWC SportsNet/Deportes: Will launch in October.
    PAC12: Might launch in August, partially or full, not sure.
    CSN Houston: Will probably launch in October for the Rockets games.
    CSN Philly: probably not for years.
     
  9. Jul 6, 2012 #389 of 3975
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    You obviously have NO CLUE about the difference of the market in Philadelphia and Los Angeles.

    Los Angeles, Houston and New Orleans will get their RSN's on DirecTV. Philadelphia will not.

    Here is why:

    DirecTV NEVER carried the Phillies.
    DirecTV NEVER carried the 76ers.
    DirecTV NEVER carried the Flyers.

    In short: They don't stand to LOSE any customers if they don't carry CSN Philly. They only could GAIN customers if they start carrying that network, so it is a question of Comcast's price vs expected income, and as long as the math doesn't add up, there is no reason for DirecTV to carry it.

    DirecTV carries the Lakers.
    DirecTV carries the Astros.
    DirecTV carries the Rockets. (forget what I said about 2013 in my previous post, I forgot about the Rockets)
    DirecTV carries the Hornets.
    DirecTV carries the Galaxy.

    This means they stand to LOSE a lot of customers in Los Angeles, Houston, and New Orleans. And that is the main reason I think they will come to terms with those RSN's

    As far as importance though, Los Angeles outweighs all the others combined.

    Now don't get all pissy and upset because I forgot to mention Houston and New Orleans in my post anticipating RSN's.
     
  10. Jul 6, 2012 #390 of 3975
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    I've never met a Phillies, Flyers, or 76ers fan, so you couldn't prove it by me... :D

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    Dish just got ENCORE WEST HD in a special July promotion.
     
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    Don't get me wrong, I hope we get all of the new ones, and all of the old ones. I mean I'd sure hate to lose my Tigers if they ever decided to move to a new channel we didn't have (which can't happen til at least 2019 BTW; and probably won't either). But anyways, you're forgetting about the most important factor about carriage for the new ones and old alike, the Almighty Dollar.
     
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    Yesterday on tweeter, @Directv retweeted the following from @espn:

    "What type of impact will the Lakers newest addition make next season?...."

    That to me is a clear indication that @directv will carry the La Lakers new RSNs. I tried to make @directv to say more about it, by replying to the tweet saying that "A more important question was: Will @directv carry the new home of the Lakers?". But I got no answer, not that I was really expecting one.

    I agree with the detailed analysis maartena wrote above and I agree with him that @directv shall carry the 2 LA Lakers new RSNs.
     
  14. Jul 6, 2012 #394 of 3975
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    Go take a trip up I-95 to Philly then. If they weren't good/popular/in high demand, America's largest cable provider wouldn't have a near-monopoly on their TV rights and coverage now would they? :D
     
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    The people that do their Twitter aren't very low on the totem pole, (yes I said aren't very low not high, look it up) so I would take it with a grain of salt.
     
  16. Jul 6, 2012 #396 of 3975
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    My point is that most of the Philly teams fans tend to be more centralized to Philly, yet the Lakers fans tend to exist all over the country.

    Kind of like the Braves during the 90s! ;)

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    Oh bull, they're everywhere too. That's why D* finally decided to put them on MLBEI, NBALP and NHLCI.
     
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    Just speaking my opinion... nothing more! :)

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    Actually, no I am not. The Almighty Dollar always has two sides. You can SPEND them, and you can EARN them. And sometimes you have to spend money to make money, or in this case: spend money to keep making money.

    DirecTV are tough negotiators, so they'll get the best deal they can. And TWC needs DirecTV just as much DirecTV needs TWC. But not spending the Almighty Dollar in this case, will end up losing them a lot of customers, and thus losing a lot of Almighty Dollars to most likely TWC themselves.

    It isn't only about the dollars moving from DirecTV --> TWC for carriage rights, it is also about the dollars moving from Customers --> DirecTV.
     
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    Yeah well the same could be said about the other new and old RSN's is what I'm trying to say. LA isn't the only sports town in America, nor the only market that matters to D*
     
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