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DIRECTV HD Channel Anticipation (Official Q3-12 Thread)

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Mike Bertelson, Jun 29, 2012.

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  1. Aug 3, 2012 #1121 of 3975
    fleckrj

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    Satellite can never compete with land lines on internet speed. There are too many nanoseconds between the earth and a satellite in geostationary orbit, and no advance in technology is going to change the laws of physics.
     
  2. Aug 3, 2012 #1122 of 3975
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    Technically speaking, the main issue is latency. I know of one service that offers 12mbps download which is pretty good. It's the latency that gets me in trouble with some of my users.
     
  3. Aug 3, 2012 #1123 of 3975
    maartena

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    No, they will have to bundle with earth-based services. And they are. They have agreements with AT&T for instance to bundle with their services, and I believe they either have, or had in the past bundles with Verizon as well.
     
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    The availability thereof. With a cable operator, you get the high-speed Internet that is reliable. The triple combination also serves for convenience.
     
  6. Aug 3, 2012 #1126 of 3975
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    How much longer do you suppose commcos such as Verizon and AT&T are going to continue to partner with competitors such as DirecTV when they can offer video services, as well as voice and data, all by themselves?
     
  7. Aug 3, 2012 #1127 of 3975
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    But not in all areas.
     
  8. Aug 3, 2012 #1128 of 3975
    Richierich

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    Does anyone know when they switched "Ancient Aliens" back to HistHD from H2?

    Several months ago they moved it to H2 but my last recording stated it was Channel 269 HISTHD.

    Very Happy to see this happen as I like it in HD and Not SD!!! :D
     
  9. Aug 3, 2012 #1129 of 3975
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    Probably for a long time. Verizon has stopped the FIOS buildout, except where their franchise agreement says they must and AT&T's also stopped U-Verse. So both telco's still need to partner to be able to offer a video product in those area where they won't be offering it.
     
  10. Aug 3, 2012 #1130 of 3975
    maartena

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    They don't offer it everywhere. Both U-Verse and FIOS have stalled their expansion after upgrading about 50% of their network. The other 50% still have neither. Also, in the case of AT&T, television service cannot always be offered, it depends on the distance from the CO.

    Sometimes, even in U-verse territory, you can only get 6 Mbps U-Verse and no television.
     
  11. Aug 3, 2012 #1131 of 3975
    tonyd79

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    I'd answer this but it already has been. Okay, I will anyway.

    verizon has been offering even in fios areas but that is probably contractual. Verizon has a lot of areas where fios does not exist but they offer DSL. Those areas will remain for a long, long time.
     
  12. Aug 3, 2012 #1132 of 3975
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    This is correct.


    Look, every service loses customers every day. Every service gains customers every day. What was reported yesterday was NET losses, meaning more people left than were added. There are all kinds of reasons why people leave a service (whether that is television, phone, electrical, newspaper, etc). Price, they moved, line of site, death, job status, service, etc. In a subscription business, the net gain or loss is driven by many things. As an example, a company can really prime the pump in marketing or an attractive offer to grow sales to end up with a + net number but that doesn't mean it's always the best thing to do depending on cost structure, marketing costs, offer costs, etc.

    As an example, Dish lost a net 10K customers announced last week. If Dish wanted to, they could have easily primed the marketing pump the back half of the quarter to add subs and finish with a net positive number. That is no different than a lot of companies in many service subscription industries. The question is...at what cost? If it normally costs $800 for DISH to acquire a customer but they could add a bunch more at $1000, is it worth it just to show a net positive number? Is it worth the NY Times doing that for newspaper subscriptions? ADT for home security. Then you ask yourself the question of what type of customer are you adding...are they someone that is a quality customer that will be around for the long term so you can recoup that investment you made in bringing them on board.

    Companies change their priorities. Some are in growth mode where they will spend all kinds of money to add subscribers and growth is priority one. As businesses and industries mature, that changes. The US is a mature television market. Latin America is not. China is not. Japan is. There are examples aplenty in case studies taught in MBA programs every day and real life examples happening all around us. Nothing with yesterday's results were surprising or unplanned and stated to the investment community for the last two earnings reports. The focus is about acquiring the right customers who will be on the platform for the long haul and focusing on churn. Priorities change.
     
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    You answered your question in a sense. Verizon and AT&T make up less than 10% of paid television households. They are small in the grand scheme of things, yet they provide wireless nationally so they need partners.

    Most people don't realize that if it wasn't for their wireless businesses, they probably couldn't stand on their own with television. In other words, their buildout costs are very high and they don't make enough margin to justify television. They offset with wireless and broadband which has huge profitable margins. This is one reason why you don't see them building out that much anymore. Very expensive and the return for them on TV isn't that great because of their huge infrastructure costs. It is very expensive to dig ditches, run fiber to each house. VERY expensive.
     
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    Excellent expos on the biz! I hope everyone reads them, as what SR is saying applies to some companies besides DIRECTV®!

    There may be times when it pays long term to essentially drop some customers. Customers who always have problems; Always on the phone, minimum subscription; Slow pay, etc.

    The market is nearing saturation, so there are fewer attractive (read: profitable) adds than a year ago—for every provider. And hopefully those who dropped for economic reasons will happily come back when their situations improve.
     
  15. Aug 3, 2012 #1135 of 3975
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    SatRacer more basic HD coming this month or next?
     
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    I know you quoted me and that link to the story at dslreports. I realize that HD is not the primary reason for loosing subs. Satteliteracer also brings good points to the table here.

    What is refreshing to me is seeing posts on OTHER sites complaining about THE SAME problem. To me that indicates it is a problem. Now I know that people use the Internet as their soap box and people are more vocal when it comes to expressing displeasure with a company. ESPECIALLY with the anonymity of the Internet. It's not just dbstalk where people congregate. I've seen posts on dslreports, SatelliteGuys, avsforum, HighDefForum, directv.com forums, facebook, twitter, comments on posts on Engadget, TV Predictions, Multichannel news, Yahoo and others.

    I'm just glad this isn't the only site with the constant back and forth asking about HD channels. Its nice to see Joe Sixpack post on DirecTV's facebook about it too.

    Yeah Internet users were primarily geeks. A site like this, yeah majority tech oriented people. But when you see comments on facebook or articles off of NY Times, Yahoo News, and other mainstream sites... it's good to know were not alone.
     
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    Meaningless. You will see complaints about every service in forums, etc. if you make million dollar decisions based upon Facebook comments, you are in trouble.
     
  18. Aug 3, 2012 #1138 of 3975
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    And if you visit U-Verse forums you will find people complaining about channels not carried or not carried in HD.

    And if you visit FIOS forums you will find people complaining about channels not carried or not carried in HD.

    And if you visit Comcast forums you will find people complaining about channels not carried or not carried in HD.

    And if you visit Time Warner Cable forums you will find people complaining about channels not carried or not carried in HD.

    And if you visit Dish Network forums you will find people complaining about channels not carried or not carried in HD.

    etc, etc, etc....

    Everybody likes to complain, no one really likes to do anything about it, even if they can by switching.

    In the end, NO carrier carries everything you want. You will have to make the decision on whether a certain provider carries enough to keep it, or not enough to keep it, and make your call accordingly.

    For me, DirecTV overal has the best selection, not only in channels, also in equipment, services, features, etc.

    Even with AMC missing, if you want a lot of basic HD, Dish Network is still the way to go.
     
  19. Aug 3, 2012 #1139 of 3975
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    Years ago, DirecTV did (for me).... well, not my locals, but given that I'm in DMA #150 (well, it was up to #145 at one point), I could somewhat understand.


    Personally, I feel good about knowing that other people have the same complaints we do. Obviously, DirecTV feels that the complaints are not enough to hurt their business, so obviously, it's not a priority for them, but when we're (DBSTalk.com) consistently told that were a small minority group when it comes to our complaints, wants, and desires, it does the heart good to see that others feel the same way. Granted, there's obviously some crossover from some of these people, but still...

    ~Alan
     
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