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DIRECTV HD Channel Anticipation (Official Q3-12 Thread)

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Mike Bertelson, Jun 29, 2012.

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  1. Aug 9, 2012 #1741 of 3975
    JMCecil

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    You keep thinking in terms of source and destination quality. 720p requires less bandwidth. ESPN has a zillion feeds to manage. They can maintain the integrity of far more feeds without severe compression, resulting in a better final picture compared to what they would deliver if all those feeds were in 1080i.

    You keep saying how terrible your CBS picture is. In our local area it is NBC that is horrible because they run 92 bazzillion sub channels .. ok 6 subchannels. Two subs are in HD. I know the NBC source is pristine. I know the live sports **** that hits my TV OTA is an un-watchable modern art pixelation, smear and stutter fest.
     
  2. Aug 9, 2012 #1742 of 3975
    sorrycharlie

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    Inaccurate, ESPN already has the infrastructure in place and has made the financial investment.

    Yes, they have spent the cash already. They are just waiting for Panasonic to drop the 3d thing as they are the major pushers of ESPN3D. Once that happens, ESPN3D can be switched to ESPN 1080P in a flip of a switch. All of the equipment can already handle 3D can also do 1080P. Their studios and plant is completely wired for the most part. Its just a matter of time.

    When your bringing in feeds at at least 80 mbps from the arena per feed, the resolution really doesn't matter. It all looks beautiful going in and out the door. The loss comes from the provider, IE direct, or Dish. 90 percent of the time. I'm pretty sure that if ESPN runs out of hard drive space for their air speeds they can afford to go buy more room. I think the reason why they went 720p was because at the time ESPNHD was created, the codecs and the compression lead 720p to be the best. That isn't the case anymore.
     
  3. Aug 9, 2012 #1743 of 3975
    fleckrj

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    I agree. There is little difference between 720p and 1080i in terms of picture quality, and 720p is better for fast movement. ABC and ESPN are 720P and that is appropriate given their priority is live sports. While the Olympics are broadcast on NBC in 1080i, the strobing of the runners' legs is distracting on my 55" plasma and almost unwatchable on my 42" LED.
     
  4. Aug 9, 2012 #1744 of 3975
    Carl Spock

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    Besides your basic point that 720p doesn't hold up visually is not backed by the facts...

    ...Do you folks remember the late 1990s and early 2000s when all we had for demonstrating HDTV at retail was 720p? I do. We had a box from Sharp on loan for a while which had a hard drive in it. The box outputed a 720p demonstration reel we could put into our projectors and early, uber-expensive plasmas. It looked stunning...

    ...you folks need to remember the economics of format change.

    It has been proven over and over again that the consumer electronics industry needs at least a generation - 25 years - to make a profit on a new format. You need that long to change both the infrastructure that supplies the content and for consumers to adopt the appropriate hardware. Anything less and you lose money on the new format. Both the broadcasters and the consumer have spent tons of money on hardware that supports 720p. You want ESPN to tear out all of their editing consoles that work on 720p and replace them with 1080i ones? How about the local ABC or Fox affiliates that have just installed 720p hardware to broadcast their local news programs? Should they throw all of that stuff away to install 1080i hardware? Or even worse, do you want them to adopt 1080p as their new standard? In case you've forgotten, 1080p is not supported by HDTV. It is not a HDTV standard. It may be a Blu-ray one, and DirecTV and others may support it for downloads, but it is not a sanctioned method for broadcasts. If ESPN changed to that, many, many HDTVs out there would not be able to receive their broadcast. You want to tell the consumers who have bought new HDTVs within the last five years that they have to throw them away because they won't get Monday Night Football? Good luck with that.

    You guys want your ice cream with sprinkles and hot sauce and whipped cream on it. No, eat your ice cream.
     
  5. Aug 9, 2012 #1745 of 3975
    TravelFan1

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    so are we anticipating HD Channels or discussing 480i/p, 720p, 1080i, 100000000000h, etc?????

    Back to topic, I'm still curious about what is going to happen with GolTv, whether the channel will move, just be available in the 400s, or it Directv will stop carrying it for good. I clearly remember a recent Directv ad comparing Directv x Dish that GolTv was featured as one of the sports channels available on Directv but not on Dish. Granted, GolTv programming became immensely niche, but still...

    And back to topic part II, I'm still anticipating the launch of the Pac 12 network - now, whether only the national feed and the regional feeds locally only or both the national and regional feeds nationally, that we shall see... Based on what I have seeing some cable cos doing, they are going to carry the national feed in HD, the local feed(when applicable) in HD but the out-of-market regional feeds in SD only.
     
  6. Aug 9, 2012 #1746 of 3975
    Diana C

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    Not really. 720p delivers 60 frames per second at 720x1280 pixels. That's a raw rate of 55,296,000 pixels per second. 1080i delivers 60 frames per second at 540x1920 (which are interlaced to yield 30 1080x1920 frames per second) for a raw pixel rate of 59,904,000 pixels per second, or only 8% more data. Once you compress the data, there is no real difference in bandwidth between 1080i and 720p.
     
  7. Aug 9, 2012 #1747 of 3975
    fleckrj

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    I would not want any of these until after all of the sports, movie, and channels like DIY, Cooking, TV Land, Military History, WE, etc, (but before any of the shopping and religious channels) are added.
     
  8. Aug 9, 2012 #1748 of 3975
    Alan Gordon

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    Disney, Jr. is owned by Disney, and NGW by FOX, so that's not really a surprise for most people. ;)

    Wow... I've heard people tells kids they're going to get switches for Christmas, but where I live, that's a bad thing.... :lol:


    I don't know if I'm being lumped in or not, but for the record, I have never said that 720p is bad. I've seen some GREAT PQ from 720p ("Lost" for instance), and I have no problems watching 720p.

    All my statements have simply been that there is a major difference between 720p and 1080i/p. :)

    ~Alan
     
  9. Aug 9, 2012 #1749 of 3975
    maartena

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    Meh.... if I turn on ESPN right now, and then switch to my local RSN (which is 1080i) my eyes really don't see much of a difference at all on my 40" TV. Actually, for fast moving pictures 720p looks a lot better.

    I really don't care.... I'm really not such a "HD snob" that I need 1080i for everything. I am a "coffee snob" (strong European and/or Cuban coffees are the best!) and a "beer snob" (anything with the word "light" in it is soda with a artificial beer taste), but I am not a HD snob.

    720p is fine with me.

    Besides, it totally depends on what the TV provider is giving us. If they give us 720p, DirecTV can't carry it in 1080i. :D
     
  10. Aug 9, 2012 #1750 of 3975
    maartena

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    We have a winner.

    Announcement: There will be new HD!
    DBSTalkUser: Great, what is it, what is it!
    Announcement: It will be TCM HD!
    DBSTalkUser: Booooooo, it is upconverted! :( :mad:
    Announcement: There will be more HD!
    DBSTalkUser: Hope its better than this upconverted crap. :( :mad::mad:
    Announcement: More HD is here! 5 new channels!
    DBSTalkUser: YAY-double-YAY! what is it?
    Announcement: BBC America, NatGeoWild, DisneyJr, ION and BeIN Sports!
    DBSTalkUser: *PARTY* *FESTIVUS*
    DBSTalkUser: Wait just a minute....
    DBSTalkUser: It's 720p!!! OMG how could they do this to us!! That is watered down HD! :mad::mad::mad::mad:

    .....

    I guess there is always something to complain about.
     
  11. Aug 9, 2012 #1751 of 3975
    Carl Spock

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    I want C-SPAN and C-SPAN2 in HD, although the SD picture has gotten quite a bit better with them lately. It's not nearly so compressed. There are a lot of neckties on C-SPAN and watching them go from sharp to fuzzy each time a talking head moved was very disconcerting. It's less that way now.

    C-SPAN3 would be a joy. It's the most history oriented of any of the C-SPAN networks.

    I'm not holding my breath for the change to HD for C-SPAN and C-SPAN2 before D14 comes on line. These are not revenue generating networks for DirecTV. They only give them to us because they'd get yelled at if they didn't.
     
  12. Aug 9, 2012 #1752 of 3975
    maartena

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    I never watch C-SPAN.... so, can someone tell me if there is even HD-worth content on it? The few times I tuned in, I see politicians blabbing at some press conference or some committee room with people in it blabbing about something or another.

    Just tuned in the web streams of C-SPAN and C-SPAN2, and I see 4:3 letter boxed press conferences on both. I'm sure they broadcast the SOTU in full HD, but is it worth it otherwise?
     
  13. Aug 9, 2012 #1753 of 3975
    tonyd79

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    I don't think so. But I can understand someone who watches it a lot getting frustrated with bad SD. Although I'd get frustrated with bad politics first.
     
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    Diana C

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    "Bad politics" is redundant.
     
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    Jon J

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    You would be able to see Harry Reid in glorious HD.
     
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    Curtis0620

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    :barf:
     
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    Paul Secic

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    ION is a waste.
     
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    maartena

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    I disagree. I don't watch it a whole lot, but it has a lot of decent shows. I watch Cold Case on it every so often, as I never watched that on CBS.... it's a great network for series that just left the main broadcast networks, and are shown again from the beginning.

    With everything, it is a personal choice. Some people would rather see other channels in HD, I think the 5 that are coming are a very well rounded set of channels with something for everyone.
     
  19. Aug 9, 2012 #1759 of 3975
    tonyd79

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    I almost wrote that myself. :)
     
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    maartena

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    I think if he, and John Boehner would enter the press room together, my TV would turn off out of sheer protest against both of them. :D
     
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