DIRECTV HD Channel Anticipation (Official Q3-18 Thread)

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  1. Aug 23, 2018 #61 of 111
    theloudhouse5

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    Any more in test?
     
  2. Aug 23, 2018 #62 of 111
    TheRatPatrol

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    I’m getting channel not available here, but I am getting the SD feed still. And of course I can’t refresh my services because D*.com doesn’t work for me anymore. Oy vey.
     
  3. Aug 23, 2018 #63 of 111
    inkahauts

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    Cause they payed DIRECTV to put it on....
     
  4. Aug 25, 2018 #64 of 111
    dtv757

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    Any way to request a national feed of "Heros & Icons " ?

    I think it's a local channel but for some reason in Norfolk market only the small companies carry it (spectrum and mediacom) Cox and fios (in norfolk market ) dont carry it...

    But I know other markets fios has H&I cause I watched it when I was testing IPTV last year (up north / different state)

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  5. Aug 26, 2018 #65 of 111
    CraigerM

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    Charter in my area has Heroes and Icons, CoziTV and AntennaTV but I think they are using the local sub-channel feeds. Charter just added H&I in my area. I think they are using the local sub-channel 24.3 that H&I is on but they are using channel 171 for it. I saw that using Zap2it's guide. St. Louis just got the Weigel channels on 24.1, 24.3, 24.4 and 24.5. I was thinking if DTV would the same way as Charter and not carry all the local sub-channels just the popular ones like METV, H&I, CoziTV and AntennaTV? Or maybe they could still use the national feeds of those channels?
     
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  6. Aug 26, 2018 #66 of 111
    dtv757

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    I understand the whole local subchannels thing but it's not a local sub channel in my market ..

    So I guess in my area, charter and media com carry the national feed ? But how come fios doesn't have it in Norfolk but has it in NYC ... o wait it's a local subchannel up there...

    I'm confused

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  7. Aug 26, 2018 #67 of 111
    CraigerM

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    One thing I forgot about is the must carry rule. I think TV providers aren't required to carry the sub-channels and maybe that includes their national feeds under that rule? Maybe some cable providers do it as a courtesy to their customers because their customers were requesting them and they also see profit in carrying them? While others don't care about carrying them? I wonder if some of those sub-channels would even have national feeds? Some TV providers could see that they aren't worth it because they are niche channels and only people who grew up watching the classic TV shows like me would watch them.
     
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  8. Aug 26, 2018 #68 of 111
    James Long

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    Adding a local sub-channel on cable is easy (from a technology standpoint). The channel does not need to be sent to a distant uplink center and occupy backhaul and satellite space.

    Satellite is not required to offer carriage for the sub-channels. Which is good when one considers some small stations with multiple subchannels that would end up taking up more space on satellite than stations with less sub-channels. Both DIRECTV and DISH seem to be willing to carry sub-channels when it is a major network (ABC, CBS, Fox, NBC). The availability of a major network on a sub-channel affects the satellite carrier's ability to import a distant channel ... leaving DIRECTV and DISH the choice of either offering carriage to the local sub-channel or not have that network on their system. Beyond that, there are some cases where a major network affiliate has leveraged their power to deny users access to network programming in order to get DIRECTV and/or DISH to carry a sub-channel. But with the backhaul costs to retransmit the actual sub-channel for each station I'd expect accepting those agreements to be rare.

    The best chance of seeing the "diginets" on satellite would be the satellite carrier picking up (or being paid to carry) one national feed. A local station paying for their affiliation with a diginet is not going to want to see a national version competing with their local ads. If their contract does not give the local feed exclusivity there is a chance of getting a national feed ... but someone is going to need to pay for the bandwidth.
     
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  9. Aug 26, 2018 #69 of 111
    CraigerM

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    So for example in my area I have H&I on 24.3, CoziTV on 4.2 and AntennaTV on 2.2 would that mean I wouldn't get a national feed on DTV because the national feed would be competing with those?
     
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  10. Aug 26, 2018 #70 of 111
    James Long

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    Simply put, yes. If those feeds are sold exclusively within your market a competing feed would violate that contract. (We have covered this before.)
     
  11. Aug 26, 2018 #71 of 111
    CraigerM

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    Sorry. Is their a way to tell if the those feeds are sold exclusively in my market?
     
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  12. Aug 28, 2018 #72 of 111
    CraigerM

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    Another thing I forgot about is the channel ratings. Now I can see how local TV sub-channels wouldn't even be worth adding to a TV providers lineup. I found this interesting list and CoziTV was in their and it only had 183,000 viewers. METV only had 617,000 viewers. I found this doing a search for all the cable TV networks. However on one list I saw METV listed as a cable network and not a local TV sub-channel. I wonder how many viewers a channel has to have before it gets pulled. I can see why they got rid of Chiller it only had 33,000 viewers.

    Also that's another reason why I can see why DTV hasn't added the UVerseTV channels it doesn't have. They might consider those low rated channels. Even though I looked at those UVerseTV channels they DTV doesn't have and don't really care about DTV adding them anyway.

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  13. Aug 28, 2018 #73 of 111
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    some of lower tear stuff maybe tied to the bigger channels?? DTV may not really have the SD room for a lot of them (maybe with MPEG 4 SD and no more MPEG 2 SD)
     
  14. Aug 29, 2018 #74 of 111
    James Long

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    Lists can have errors. You would need to take that question to the person/group who made the list referring to it as a cable network.

    Do you mean "how FEW viewers a channel has to have before it gets pulled"? Typically a channel will stay on a system until the carriage contract expires (or otherwise ends). Whether the carriage gets renewed depends on if the company paying for carriage believes that it is worth continuing to pay. For a channel DIRECTV is paying for the right to carry (which could be a national channel or a local station within a market) DIRECTV would ask if the benefit of carrying the channel is worth the rate they are being asked for. A low popularity channel may be worth paying 1c per subscriber per month ... but not worth 2c per subscriber.

    Channels can also pay for carriage. The PI (public interest) channels are good examples. They are required to be non-commercial and are typically educational or religious channels. Their carriage is paid for by the channel. Each channel decides if they are getting a return on their investment. In recent years a number of commercial channels have decided to pay for carriage. As long as they pay DIRECTV they remain on the lineup. Regardless of the number of viewers they have.
     
  15. Aug 29, 2018 #75 of 111
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    Picking up those sub-channels is easy with the AM21 that Directv used to offer (for $50).
    Oh wait, I forgot, Directv never bothered (always had an excuse like "We never anticipated there would be this many", even though they are in the TV business) to keep an updated database on what it can/will pick up, so too bad for a great number of those channels available.
    And the AM21 was never allowed to just scan for ALL local channels and just add them in. Big mistakes by Directv in my opinion.

    At our place in Florida, we have Dish, they offer some of those networks like MeTV, Laff, Grit, etc. We get all of them except MeTV, which is available OTA out of WPTV W. Palm Beach, so is blacked out for us. Problem is, W. Palm Beach is 75 miles away and the OTA signal doesn`t reach that far North, so the built in OTA receiver in the Dish equipment can`t add it.

    Not the biggest problem in the world. It`s just TV.
     
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  16. Aug 29, 2018 #76 of 111
    CraigerM

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    Yeh, sorry that's what I meant.
     
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  17. Aug 29, 2018 #77 of 111
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    There's always room, they can compress MPEG2 SD more and make whatever they want fit. Across the hundreds of channels that sort of thing wouldn't even be noticeable just to add a few more channels.

    Besides, lowering the quality gives SD only customers another reason to hurry up and get upgraded before MPEG2 SD goes away!
     
  18. Aug 30, 2018 #78 of 111
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    I Called DirecTV today and I asked for new HD channels, the guy told me that they were negotiating several new HD channels, he could not tell me which channels are.I don’t know if is true or false.


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  19. Aug 30, 2018 #79 of 111
    slice1900

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    They are probably always in the process of negotiating with at least one network, but the CSRs wouldn't have any knowledge of that so he's just making stuff up.

    Pretty sure that calling Directv to ask for "more HD channels" is about as pointless as calling them up and asking them to "quit increasing my bill every year".

    Perhaps there's a very slightly chance that if you ask for specific channels in HD they might note that information down somewhere where they'd have an idea of how much demand there is for a specific channel. But an unspecified "more HD"? That's gonna be ignored.
     
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    For those interested ...

    Scott over at satelliteguys is reporting that AT&T/DIRECTV has decided to drop Bein Sports. Joining Dish and Comcast whom have already removed the network.

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