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Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Stuart Sweet, Jun 24, 2010.
Good idea. It will make up for Fox Soccer Channel falling off of the list next week.
In absolute terms, we're pretty close to that already. Pretty much every non-infomercial channel either has an HD counterpart or has announced one. (The only "name" channels I can think that don't are TVLand and Game Show Network.) The question is whether D* plans to carry these channels in HD or just skip ahead and wait for them to be in 3-D.
I doubt we'll see either of those channels in 3D.
TV Land is certainly one of the bigger channels to be missing an HD channel. There was a rumor a while back that one of the cablecos was going to add TV Land HD, but it doesn't appear to have happened.
SoapNet will be turning into Disney Junior in 2012, so I'm not sure we'll see SoapNet HD. Discovery Health Channel will be The Oprah Winfrey network next year, so I doubt we'll see Discovery Health Channel HD anytime soon.
There are however some other channels besides TV Land and GSN that (to my knowledge) have not announced plans to go HD... yet.
Discovery Military Channel
I left out the shopping, religious, porn, and RSN channels, as outside of a couple, I am not aware of their status(es).
That being said, I suspect that most (if not all of the above) will have an HD simulcast within the next couple of years.
Quick correction, Discovery Health is becoming The Oprah Winfrey Network. It's confusing because I'm pretty sure Oxygen essentially started as the Oprah network.
I'm guessing Disney Jr and OWN in HD will be quickly added to D*. D* likes to premiere stuff. There are less marketing opportunities for adding channels everyone else had two years ago.
In terms of HD vs 3-D, though I was joking in that particular instance, I think it's definitely in the realm of possibility that D* might not add HD nationals to D12 to keep room for part-time 3-D versions of channels they already carry in HD. From a marketing standpoint they've already "won" the HD numbers count because of PPV and RSNs. Promoting 3-D capacity would make them seem even more ahead of the game. It also would open up a new revenue stream, which seems to be their primary concern right now.
Will porn channels ever go 3D?
I had to ask that for a friend as I have no interest in porn of course...
Of course you have no interest in porn...my friend asked me to say that.
I would like to see Discovery ID HD added.
I corrected my post.
I'll have to wait and see what DirecTV does with the majority of D12's space before I make any guesses.
Sony and Discovery are partnering on a channel. I expect to see it added once launched. Aside from it, I don't expect to see a lot of 3D additions right off the bat, and I only expect there to be around 20 (or less) 3D channels in the future... at all.
I consider 3D to be something that will be around for a while, but make no mistake, HD is the future. 3D will just be an option.
Hot in Cleveland would be nice in HD.
If thats the case wheres Nat Geo Wild HD at?
It would also be nice for "Retired At 35", as well as the rest of their programming (either currently available in HD like "Everybody Loves Raymond", or their older classics).
DirecTV was the last to drop the dead Fox Reality. When they finally did add Nat Geo Wild in SD (after D12 went live), they seem to be the only television provider who didn't get (or asked for) HD rights.
My "D* likes to premiere stuff" theory is based entirely on what happened with D10 and D11. In both cases, D* essentially announced all the channel additions before they went live. When there was an outcry about the lack of HD additions to D11, there was a lot of talk about more HD coming and tangoing, but in reality the only HD channel added that already existed when D11 launched was Fox News HD. Comedy Central, BET, and the additional RSNs all were added close to their channel launch.
Until I see otherwise, it appears D* negotiations for current channels essentially stops by the time the new channel press release is issued.
D* officials on various occasions have told investors that HD channels have reached their saturation point and the need to find new avenues of revenue. No provider is going to catch D* 160 number. Most of cable's PPV is done through VOD and neither cable or E* seems likely to add every RSN 24/7 nationally. Before the Disney fiasco, with the exception of the Cablevision family of channels, E* had pretty much all the channels we want D* to add and still fell well short of 160.
I agree that 3D is an option, but it depends on how big an option D* expects it to be, especially as it relates to sports. A big reason more HD wasn't added to D11 was to keep space open for part time HD sports programming.
I'm a bit confused by why this would be "big." What you seem to be suggesting is already here and has been here and a lot of people seem to be using it to supplement D* lack of some programming.
My local Comcast was offering Mad Men in HD on Demand before there was even a AMC HD. Four years ago they were also offering more HD programming for free On Demand than D* currently does. People here have already talked about buying programming from Amazon. A couple weeks ago new episodes of Mad Men and Dr Who were the most downloaded programs on iTunes. There's streaming Netflix and Hulu. E* just announced a streaming iPad app. I don't see what D* could do that would be worth paying more than my current Premier package.
Which is NOT a good idea.
D10 essentially ushered in the "Age of HD". DirecTV encouraged MANY of these channels to go HD so that DirecTV could offer the most HD anywhere.
D11 however is a MUCH better comparison... though hopefully D12 will bring us more love than D11.
If you were the head (or mini) honcho at a big company who had allowed their HUGE lead to dwindle, you might be inclined to say the same thing.
I don't personally care about channel counts, and it's only a matter of time before subscribers stop caring about it too. It's going to come down to what provider offers them the programming they care about.
DirecTV may have more channels, but Dish Network's programming lineup is considerably superior, IMHO. In some markets, I've read certain cablecos whose programming lineup is (IMHO) superior as well.
It makes sense for channels like ESPN, Discovery, National Geographic, Fox Sports, HBO, Starz, Cinemax, etc., but we simply aren't going to see the majority of channels going 3D.
I thing that mtv2 HD and Chiller HD where on some old list but that never happened.
also what is up with fox movie channel HD?? didn't they say 2010?
I only quoted your reply to my quote since this is what concerns me.
I was commenting on what I think can be totally different from the existing model used by Directv, not the industry as a whole. The current PPV at 5 to 6 bucks for new releases doesn't require "400 programs at the same time". There is no such thing as 400 new releases. I guess we will see a flat rate PPV product for 380 of those movies and the existing model for the 20 new releases (those titles we pay to watch when we go to Blockbuster).
On the streaming model, I think there is a lot of new stuff that can be done but require agreements not yet in place. We could watch programs we subscribe from other medias, like the I-Pad for example. I am not talking about Slingboxes, just the right to watch anything we subscribe through online streaming.
Obviously I am speculating big time here but I really believe we will see other PPV/VOD products very soon.
Holy crap, Fuel TV is actually showing something in real HD!!!
Chiller and Sleuth both had plans for HD channels. Due to the economy, they were postponed. No mention of HD simulcasts since the delay... hence why they are included in the list.
I don't recall ever hearing anything about MTV2 though.
FOX announced plans to go HD with ALL of their channels this year. Fox Movie Channel is the last holdout, so hopefully it's still on the schedule.
Maybe this is the issue D* is having? :lol:
There is currently no content. Saw today that the 1st 3D porn movie was produced in Hong Kong.
AMC, WE tv Lead Rainbow's 18% Ad Surge
That's actually roughly in line with what's been happening in TV ad circles this year. Nice for them, of course, but not really out of the ordinary right now. Look at, for instance, Gannett's TV (22 or so broadcast affilliates) and you'll see roughly similar results.