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Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Stuart Sweet, Jun 24, 2010.
well, there are also two words why we need DIY in HD and they are Amy Matthews.
The absence of LMN and some of the HBO simulcast is one of the things that has made me wonder whether there is an artificial cap on the number of true nationals DirecTV plans to add. Clearly, D* made a relatively recent deal with the parent companies so "the tango" would seem to have been done with. With that said, I have heard through the grapevine that there might be a technical reason for D* not carrying LMN yet and not a contractual one. At this point, I'm not sure whether that's true or not, but I'm willing to give it a couple more months based on trust.
I don't know if it has been mentioned or not, but Military Channel would be on my list, as well as DIY.
ESPNews, Disney, and Toon Disney (since rebranded) all were added to D10. (ABC Family was announce to launch with them (or presumed so) but apparently D* didn't know how to count.) Previous to December 2008, Golf Channel and Versus shared a channel, so we didn't gain a channel; we just didn't lose one. (Of course, we did lose one for a bit later on but for other reasons.) MLB and Comedy Central (along with BET) launched channels after D11 went live. As far as I recall, the RSNs we got were either announced in the D11 press release or were added afterward when the channels themselves launched. I have been wrong about one thing. I've been saying Fox News was the only channel that DirecTV added after the initial launch D11 that existed before D11 went live. I forgot that we didn't get C&I until D11. So that makes a total of two channels that existed when D* put out their D11 press release but weren't mentioned and later added. Technically, that is a 100% increase in the number of channels I've been claiming, so I guess I should admit defeat.
To make sure my facts were correct, I just waded through threads from the early D11 days. It's laughable the extent to which most of us (including myself) were sure (based on stuff suggested by people "in the know" on this forum) that we would be seeing a flood of new HD channels any day. Sadly, I think a lot of us might owe Harsh an apology.
DirecTV has already fallen considerably behind DishNetwork in terms of true national HDs. The net result was DirecTV gained 100,000 subscribers and lost E* lost 17,000 subscribers. I'm sure DirecTV is quaking in its boots now that Dish has lost Disney and ABCFamily. It's not like I want D* not to add more HD I just don't have much faith that they will.
BTW, what exactly does "We do know there's potentially more coming in the next few months" mean? Don't we also know D* could potentially add no more channels (except for Fox Soccer) in the next few months?
The Disney channels were (if memory serves) supposed to come earlier than they did, but were postponed. The first three were added a few weeks after D11 launched, and ABC Family was added a few weeks AFTER D11 was turned over to DirecTV. Just because the channels were added to D10 does not mean that D11 didn't allow them to do so. If D11 hadn't launched successfully, those channels might have been postponed even farther back.
We're going to agree to disagree on this one, because I still consider it a channel gain (even though I don't watch either).
Aside from Travel Channel, Lifetime (both Lifetimes), the Voom channels, World Fishing Network, etc., there wasn't a whole lot of channels for DirecTV to ADD. Sure, there were some, but only a handful...
Which might help explain why DirecTV doesn't feel they need to rush, and can take their time to try and get the best deal(s) they can. That doesn't change the fact that they will have to stay competitive or the tables might turn.
If it weren't for the crap PQ and HD stream limits on U-verse, I would have switched by now. They already have everything I want (incl AMCHD) except for BBCAHD. Oh, and no rain fade.
The Disney Channels were announced and promoted on the D*'s website under the same umbrella as all the other D10 channels. According to this:
D* officially announced adding them on March 13. D11 was launched into orbit on March 18. The Disney Channel launched its HD feed on March 19. ESPNews did the same on March 30. DirecTV added all three of those feeds in late March/early April. The sad part is that all of my fact checking doesn't mean anything because either way it wouldn't have changed my point that only two channels were added to D11 that didn't appear in the press release and existed when D11 went live.
This sounds an awfully lot like you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. You say they need to add HD channels to stay competitive. I give you reasons why DirecTV might not think they need to add HD channel to stay competitive. You use those reasons to explain why D* doesn't need to rush to stay competitive.
Let me be clear. All I am doing is taking what DirecTV has publicly said about D12 at their word. I'm basing that purely on the fact that in the past DirecTV has done exactly what said they would do and not much more. (In fact, they've arguably done less when you consider the HBO situation.)
That Satelliteracer says we could potentially get more channels later on is all well and good, but since he doesn't specify which channels those might be they could just as easily be the yet non-existent Encore Channels or the yet non-existent Sony movie channels.
Only two? Oh no no, I want more then just those two.
Though originally supposed to launch in November 2007, D11 launched on March 19, 2008. According to Sixto's information, ESPNNews HD, Disney HD East, and Toon Disney was added on April 2, 2008.
DirecTV began broadcasting from D11 on July 31, 2008, and ABC Family was added to the lineup on August 14, 2008 (along with Planet Green, and two Showtime channels).
Though DirecTV may have officially announced adding them on March 13, 2008, I believe that at least a couple of the channels were shown in promotional material prior.
All this being said, I still believe that DirecTV postponed these channels a short period in order to see how things with D11 shook out. These are just my memories of the event, and you are free to disagree... I certainly can't prove my case.
What's true right now might not be true a few months down the road.
Right now, DirecTV's "unfortunate" lagging behind in the national HD department isn't hurting them. That gives DirecTV some breathing room. They can continue to take their time, and continue to trickle new HD additions like they are currently doing, and they will probably never see an issue with them having fallen behind... and they will probably save money by doing so.
If they continue to do as you seem to believe they intend on doing... namely focusing on 3D, PPV, etc., and focus solely on upcoming HD channels launches, all the while ignoring some of the more popular (missing) channels out there, I do believe they will see the repercussions of it prior to D14 launching.
I have yet to see anything from DirecTV that publicly states that DirecTV's going to simply give up and abandon their HD customers.
While AMC and BBC America are at the top of my list, I'd welcome all the additions you mentioned above.
We both have already said this. I've said it numerous times.
Exactly how would DirecTV postpone channels that didn't exist? And if you are saying that Disney and DirecTV were in some kind of cahoots to launch them on DirecTV, why didn't Disney wait two weeks to launch them when DirecTV added them? Also, why did Disney launch ABC Family in same time frame as the others when DirecTV couldn't add it?
I never said they would "abandon" their HD customer. We are not talking about Tivo.
Since both AMC and IFC labels showed up in testing, I assume DirecTV plans, expects, or hopes to add them at some point. I find it really surprising that BBCA wasn't a launch channel. I would assume that and TCM-TruTV-Headline News are the most likely possible additions among existing channels, but I have really nothing to base that on.
With D10, DirecTV added multiple channels prior to them actually starting to show HD content. I believe DirecTV intended on adding these channels (or at least a couple of them) prior to when they did, but D11's delay forced them to postpone the launch. Once D11 was SUCCESSFULLY launched, DirecTV added three of the channels, and added the fourth once D11 was safely turned over to them.
I never said you did, but if DirecTV is going to essentially "give up" trying to catch up on their national channels, and focus more on 3D and PPV, then that's essentially what they would be doing.
I personally don't feel they will...
BBC America had a lot of success with "Torchwood: Children Of Earth" at launch, but that was last year, and DirecTV most likely felt that they'd get more revenue with PPV... particularly with D12 right around the corner.
That being said, I agree with everything I quoted above.
Yep those are the 2 I want now as well. DIY would be nice also.
This post may draw some yawns, but for me, the real festivus would be to get Nasa HD by the 1st of November (STS-133 hint,hint Directv).
It's all about HLN HD. They have too many hotties to mention, including Robin Meade and here, her fill-in Susan Hendricks. Just look at this typical screenshot and tell you don't want HLN HD.
Nice legs... reach: :bowdown: :dance:
I still don't want HLN HD...
~Alan<~~~~~~~Figured somebody had to say it... why not him?!
I'm happy that we got MSNBC HD before HLN HD. Thats not too say I wouldn't want HLN HD, DOWN the line. The more HD channels the better. Except for QVC HD, HSN HD, off the top of my head.
I would take History International HD before HLN HD (of course).
We just have to wait until D11 is up and operational and we'll have over 200 HD channels
Yep. Although I believe the capacity claim was scaled backed before D11 actually launched.
FSC HD is LIVE!
Fox Soccer Plus HD also appears in the guide now.