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Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Stuart Sweet, Jun 24, 2010.
Yes, if you speak Spanish and love soccer.
Maybe you should spend less time swearing & more time getting the facts correct.
When ever you get out of the loop, and then back in, and want to know what is new, check out Sixto's post #1 of this thread. It tells it all.
Figure out what your ETF will be, and ask your potential new provider to cover the ETF for you to switch right then and there.
I don't recall where I read it, since it was a while ago, but the resolution of each has been measured. Directv is 1920x1080i or 1280x720p. Dish is 1440x1080i. I don't remember what the resolution of the 720p channels is. You don't have to believe it, but it is true. It's a rather well known and widely accepted fact. Whether or not the difference matters may be up for debate, but the measurements themselves aren't.
It is true, but what is also true is that the difference to the eye is not much if any difference.
To the BluRay comment, the difference between Dish or DirecTV's HD and BluRay is dramatic and easy to see, even with old eyes. And the audio, for those of us with AV Amps that can use the new codecs, is huge.
A little Googling found this post on another site that would appear to confirm the Dish 1440 resolution, at least for one of the Cinemax channels in May, 2010.
I've searched high and low and can't find any actual data. Where is it? How was it measured? I see lots of posts restating it as fact, but I see no data to back it up.
EDIT: Thanks Steve. Real data. I'll give that a look.
EDIT2: The plot thickens. Is THIS really true?
Try PM'ing member P Smith, I believe that he has the hardware that would be able to provide you that information on Dish's HD resolution.
I was once able to receive confirmation from Dish Network, but I did not keep that information unfortunately.
Dish has a well known history of pulling channels when ever they feel like it.
What makes you think your favorite channels are safe.:nono:
That 3 year History with Dish , Made me well aware that no channel is a safe bet with Dish Network.
That alone will make me stay with Directv. They might not be adding, But they aren't taking 4 channels away and only adding 2. And still claiming they have 200 + HD channels.:hurah:
1440X1080 is also the resolution of my HDV camcorder. The picture blows away any Directv or Dish HD because the compression is the real culprit, not the resolution. Most news you see on TV is also shot in HDV . The number of HD channels per transponders will probably give a better indication of how compressed the picture is.
Loyalty is not the issue as much as inertia. The benefits of the change (cost or channels) need to offset the annoyance of having someone come in and install a new provider with its cocommitant need to be home when the installer shows up.
Right now, the benefits do not justify th change.
I want this channel badly too. I wish Anime Network VOD had HD content too.
I believe the 720p channels are the correct resolution. They might be overly compressed, but the resolution is correct to my knowledge.
True dat. But that same post I referenced claimed Dish was broadcasting the 5Max channel at 1440x1080i and 4 Mbps. I believe the DirecTV MPEG-4 channels are transmitting at about 8 Mbps on average, so Dish is employing almost twice as much compression.
I reverse-engineered the DirecTV Mbps from the fact that the HR22 and above 500 GB drives (with 400 GB user space) provide 100 hours of MPEG-4 storage. That's about 4 gigs per hour, or ~ 8.8 Mbps.
Presumably you're referring to this: "This was and is true to a point, however all the new HD launched recently on DISH on the 72.7 satellite is full 1920x1080." [post is dated 5/13/2010]
I don't know, but it seemed easier to have the quote here rather than dig for it there. It would also be interesting to know what percentage of their HD channels that would cover.
That's good stuff, Steve, and much more scientific than most speculation here. 4Mbps is too low bitrate for a true HD quality, Netflix HD has a VBR that goes as high as 5.5 Mbps, just to give some idea of quality.
I have both Dish (2nd home) and Directv and like both. I know what HD-Lite is , I had Directv in 2005 and the picture was really bad. Although I can't see the difference, I believe Directv is better but I also think Dish is much, much better than the 2005 Directv HD-Lite.
The MPEG4 is very efficient but 8 Mbps can't match a Bluray disk at 35-40 Mbps. We can't say Directv is Bluray quality either, even the 1080P from VOD.
I am not in favor of this Directv X Dish discussion but I think good intel is always welcome.
As we've been discussing, resolution only tells part of the story. Encoding parameter decisions, which includes the % of compression being applied, completes the picture.
If someone with a Dish receiver can tell us how many hours of MPEG-4 HD they've recorded and how many gigabytes of drive space that takes up, we can make a rough calculation of how many Mbps they're streaming via sat.
The Dish 722 has a 320GB HDD and records up to 55 hours of HD. Doing the math, it's close to 13 Mbps !