DIRECTV HD Channel Anticipation (Official Q3 2011 Thread)

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  1. Tom Robertson

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    Facts are facts and definitions can be opinions... :)

    On a more serious thought train what would we do with a basic cable channel, that is non-3d but does not work on every HDTV because it required HDMI copy protection? Strange beast it might be and maybe we won't see it, but I have two TVs that are HDTV but are pre-HDMI days.

    Cheers,
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  2. cypherx

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    Any reason why DirecTV went with Ka band if it has inherent issues when compared to Ku band? Seems like they shot themselves in the foot. Now it's a capacity issue.

    Any indication D14 will be built with technology to more efficiently utilize bandwidth?
     
  3. TomK

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    I forgot to add that I was talking about the HD aspects of the movies. :)
     
  4. Jeremy W

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    Ku at 101, 110, and 119 is maxed out. If they went with Ku somewhere else, they'd have to use multiple dishes. The Ka slots at 99 and 103 allowed them to make things much simpler.
     
  5. cypherx

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    Ah. Found an oldie but goodie from Tom with some more technical details
    http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=82295

    It's the technology that I like to talk about. Finding ways around limitations and looking at possibilities to make things work better or more efficient.

    Wonder if Reverse DBS frequencies would be useable. I don't recall if the FCC made any allocations to that yet, but it sounds like a feasible solution to ChicagoBlues C A P A C I T Y problem.
     
  6. Jeremy W

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    D11 had (actually has, but DirecTV can't use it anymore) an experimental BSS payload to help start figuring that out.
     
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    To tom's point, there would be about three people who would be happy(in this thread) if the next two channels added were QVC and the church channels. Of course the argument there would be that a basic channel is a channel that is in choice , but does not pay for carriage or qualify as a community service channel. If they added the WNBA channel to the lineup, you would bemoan the waste on a sport absolutely nobody watches. In short, I agree that "basic" in the context of this forum only means "what I pay for and am willing to watch".
     
  8. Jeremy W

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    Is that all? Aren't there a few more strawmen you'd like to toss in here?
     
  9. inkahauts

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    I have to wonder if some of these new channels to mpeg4 (nasatv, pentagon, etc, but in sd) will be on these transponders that don't have enough room for 5 hd channels... I also wonder if directv plans on moving enough of these more niche channels to those particular transponders to free up an entire transponder or two at 101 so they can launch an HD channel or two from there. Not out of the realm of possibilities if you ask me. Like I have always said, and you say as well, they adjust locations based on what will allow them to have the most space. I haven't anaylized the details, but I wonder if they set up all the 720p channels with a single bandwidth monger channel if they could get 5 channels on that transponder, instead of the current 4?

    I am also still surprised they didn't use the space way for push content. I was really actually expecting that. Hopefully, that just means more LIL to some folks.

    Also, just as they have taken down Cinema HD channels, they could take down pushed channels at some point as well, a few here or there to add more channels. It would be interesting to see if they ever actually do that, or if maybe another solution will appear.
     
  10. tonyd79

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    Really?

    I have seen lots of commercials for Hot in Cleveland and NEVER saw "starring Emmy Award Winner Betty White."

    Go check out any ad for any theatrical release with an Oscar winner.

    Come on. The Emmys are more known for NOT giving Susan Lucci an award for years than for who wins them.
     
  11. inkahauts

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    I think you might be onto something with 1. Moving to a higher bandwidth would allow them'to have a LOT more channels overall. I think that would be what, 40 to 80 more channels depending on how they arrange everything? That's a HUGE number. And how much will that cost to change out encoders, vs. say, building and launching a new sat, and SWAPPING out everyone's LNBs for the next sat? They will probably end up doing that anyway, but maybe only for more specific kinds of programming to start, so they can take their time doing it...

    However, I think that it might be even more important for them to go with that for all their LIL coverage. At some point in the next 3 or 4 years, they have to offer all HD channels in any market if they offer any one channel in HD in a market, assuming they can come to contract with them. They may not need that kind of space in all markets, but some, like LA, they have a LOT of channel space to go.

    2 is a no go. They aren't going to bit starve anything, they have made that clear.. And THANK YOU directv for that one. I'd rather be missing a couple hd channels than have bit starved hd...

    3 will come but years it will take...

    4 and 5 I don't think they where short sighted at all from their end on d12. The whole point of push is to be able to better compete with Cable on VOD. I have this funny feeling that we will see that with each new sat launched, a significant amount of pushed content. I don't know of another 80 plus channels that they can pick up in HD right now... I expect them to have all cinema channels available in hd and twice as much push content or more with d14...

    I do love the idea of the 4g for internet though. That would be nice, and allow them to basically do everything that cable does with about the same speeds and ease of use....
     
  12. inkahauts

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    D14 will have a full bss payload as I recall.. And I think KA or KU as well.. Can't remember which...
     
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  14. Jeremy W

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    Encoders have nothing to do with modulation or FEC, but they wouldn't have to change out any equipment. FEC is just a setting on the uplink equipment, all they'd have to do is change it.
    They're already using less FEC on the spotbeams, since the signal is more focused.
     
  15. FLWingNut

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    This whole thing would be much simpler f D would just say, "We haven't added AMC (or BBCA or DIY or whatever) because..." and actually tell us what the hell the holdup is. I'd it money, streaming rights, bundling, bandwidth? Of course they won't, so all we can do is guess. By the way, is anybody complaining to the providers? Or is it just direct tv we're going to bash?
     
  16. Jeremy W

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    Probably a combination of all of those things, plus more. It's a complex process, undoubtedly. However, it's a process that many other providers have been able to complete. That's where the issue lies.
     
  17. Hoosier205

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    Under their own unique circumstances and situations. You cannot compare the carriage agreement between one service provider and a content provider with that of an entirely different service provider and the same content provider. There are way, way too many variables at play.
     
  18. KK in CT

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    How many variables are unique to only DirecTV? Or are you saying it's the unique combination of variables that only DirecTV has?
     
  19. Jeremy W

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    Which are their concerns, not mine.
    Of course you can, which is why most carriage agreements do exactly that.
     
  20. Hoosier205

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    If you are concerned about certain channels not being added...then yes...it is of concern to you.

    Do what? Compare them? Nope. Terms are not shared or compared, even within the industry. A single content provider can compare deals they have with multiple service providers. A single service provider can compare deals they have with multiple content providers. Content providers aren't sharing carriage term information with other content providers and service providers are not sharing type of information with other service providers.
     
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