DIRECTV HD Channel Anticipation (Official Q4-11 Thread)

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  1. cypherx

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    Well maybe they could add a software update to the format button that pushes a 16:9 picture back to 4:3, thus undoing the stretch-o-vision you hate. My TV can do that but it involves picking up it's remote and using the format button on that.

    I personally like stretch-o-vision as it helps against uneven phosphor wear on my plasma. My Samsung Plasma from 2007 has image retention issues and you can see where the black bars are for a bit after they've been on the screen for awhile. It's just image retention (it goes away eventually), not burn in... but I wouldn't take my chances on making that permanent.
     
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    It is not optimal, but I often kick the resolution down to 480p so I can unstretch the stretched channels. The PQ drops some but as the source is HD and the stretching makes a bit of a mess anyway, it is decent.
     
  3. Beerstalker

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    You can't properly unstretch most of them because they use a non-linear stretch. If you try to unstretch it you get the stuff on the outer edges to look right, but then everything in the middle is squished so it's tall and skinny.
     
  4. fleckrj

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    I agree that it is not feasible (yet) to convert everyone to MPEG4, but it seems like it should be feasible to quit issuing new receivers that are not MPEG4 compatible. All new DirecTV customers and all existing customers who add or replace receivers should only get the MPEG4 receivers. Then, at some point, it will become feasible to switch the remaining receivers. As long as MEPG4 incompatible receivers are being shipped, we will never get to the point that MPEG2 can be retired.
     
  5. fleckrj

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    As has been mentioned, that does not work, because most stretch-o-vision is nonlinear, and the picture will still be distorted if it is forced back to 4:3

    That is not nearly as much of a problem if you set the bars to grey instead of black.

    The bottom line is that everything should only be broadcast in the original aspect ratio. Pan-and-scan and stretch-o-vision should be banned.
     
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    And considering pretty much every 16:9 TV ever sold has the ability to stretch/zoom/crop built into it the people who want it stretched wil still be able to do so using their TV (and I think the DirecTV receivers themselves can do it too), while those of us who hate stretching would be able to see the video unmolested.
     
  7. cypherx

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    I always though the grey bars were too distracting.

    Can you even make the bars grey if the program is transmitting a 16:9 signal but a 4:3 pillarboxed image is in it? I don't think you can. It's not like the receiver or TV can use a Photoshop paint bucket like tool to turn the black pillars to grey at 30fps. For example, last night Beavis and Butt-Head returned to MTV after 14 years off. I figured the show would be updated to 16:9. It was still 4:3 and centered within MTV HD's 16:9 signal. Resolution wise it looked pretty good, but the aspect ratio was still old school.

    It's ok, we deal. Other shows like CBS Big Brother are also 4:3 in a 16:9 signal. I guess it would be too expensive to upgrade their 80+ camera's to HD, along with all the signaling equipment. Then there's the wife's Jersey Shore. Yuck, but its still on our TV.

    I also think a $50,000 professional HD MPEG encoder at the network probably can up-convert and fill an SD signal much better than a $500 receiver or even a $3000 TV. That's why I don't mind if the network does the stretching vs. it being done on my end. Take TruTV HD for example. I've seen it on Comcast and Dish Network. Even though a lot of their programming is SD, the TruTV HD feed looks MUCH better than their SD feed on both cable and Dish. Their upconverter is far better than a Motorola cable box or Dish vip xxx receiver.
     
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    I never thought I'd say this - but I'm glad this show is on MTV. If it was on a channel like TBS or Cartoon Network it would've been in stretch-o-vision and there would be no good, non-stretched HD source for this show.
     
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    If that worked I would have no problem with it. I can hit the format button on my TV itself and switch from 16:9 to 4:3 in a second.

    The problem with TBS and TNT etc is that they dont just straight up stretch the image. They run the video through some kind of computer thingy to determine where the focus of the shot is and make sure they keep that part of the frame more or less at its proper ratio, while the rest gets unevenly stretched to make up the difference. You cant simply undo it by changing the ratio :/
     
  10. cypherx

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    Ah.. right, like the center is more correct than the edges...

    I haven't noticed that in awhile on TBS and TNT. Maybe the material I do watch is newer and not done.

    [​IMG]
     
  11. Tom Robertson

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    My theory is the DIRECTV will do exactly that when MPEG4 chips are cheaper than MPEG2 chips. I sorta expect that to happen "soon'. :)

    Cheers,
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    Maybe BBCA HD in 2012
     
  13. maartena

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    I am currently watching Dune on BBC America... In HD... On Time Warner Cable at my mother in laws house... Although it is a 1985 made for TV movie, it is surpisingly good in quality!

    Sigh.
     
  14. djzack67

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    Damn. I want this channel already
     
  15. vandergraff

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    Funny thing is I stopped watching this thread - the HD Chanel I wanted was BBC America about two years ago.

    Since then we saw Torchwood Children of the Earth on Blu-Ray (from Netflix) and we got a three month free Strarz preview to see the latest Torchwood. Lately we have been catching on Dr Who, older Torchwoods, Top Gear, Being Human etc all in 1080P on Netflix streaming to a ROKU 2 (some but not all with 5.1 audio).

    It would be good to get BBCA HD - but at this point it is getting less interesting.

    I would also have liked AMC HD - but with Madman, Breaking Bad and Walking Dead on Netflix 1080P Streaming - there is plenty to catch up here as well.

    Again it would be good if DirecTV added it.......
     
  16. georule

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    No, it's not. It was a big budget theater extravaganza.

    The Sci-Fi Channel 2000 made-for-tv mini-series was much better with less extravaganza.
     
  17. Mike Bertelson

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    It wasn't made for TV. It was a theatrical release...a very poor box office at that. It actually got an Alan Smithee credit.

    Mike
     
  18. alnielsen

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    AMC is available in HD. :confused:
    Check your favorites settings.
     
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    I would assume there are contracts for manufacturing. Established life cycles on already manufactured units and what Tom said. Time.
     
  20. RMBittner

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    As others have pointed out, this was not made-for-TV; it was a theatrical release.

    I was a movie reviewer for a magazine when this came out. I hated it so much, I couldn't stand to watch Kyle MacLachlan in anything for over a decade. I've heard that some, in hindsight, are reconsidering their "bomb" reviews of it. But I can't imagine losing any more minutes of my life giving it another go.;)

    Bob
     
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