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DirecTV HD GUI Anticipation

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by cypherx, Mar 31, 2011.

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  1. aa9vi

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    I would be happy if when I pressed a number button on the remote it took less than 2s to appear on the screen. Maybe they can try that new innovative concept instead of making the GUI more bloated with useless add-ons.

    Yea! I can play SODUKU.
    Yea! I can get my horoscope.
    I don't care. Just make the firmware less bloated and make the remote respond better.
     
  2. Hoosier205

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    Nope. 2011.
     
  3. cypherx

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    Well let's agree to disagree.

    It's not microsoft coding standards I'm quoting.. it's user interface guidelines for animations and transitions. Were not talking about how to manipulate data in a visual studio programming working with an access database.. were talking visual design. Which quite frankly, greatly improved over the years.

    It's quite interesting to hear, even from non tech-savvy users that they have good things to say about the newer windows 7 computers, vs. the windows xp computers. They all say that it feels smooth, looks really nice and fluid and is a pleasure to use.

    As far as the ribbon, yes it was such a dramatic change. However we've been starting to roll out Office 2010. The thing is putting tools in proper categories aids in organization. When you get used to it, it makes perfect sense. You can even customize your most common used tools at the top of the screen.

    Anyway, were not here to talk about computers. My point is, there's validity in modern user interface design that deals with the "special effects". There's no reason why a program cannot function properly, smoothly and perform as expected with "special effects" thrown in. As long as:
    -The perceived wait is extremely brief (200 milliseconds or less).
    -The transition makes the interaction feel more smooth and natural.
    -The transition makes the interaction feel more responsive.
    -Any delay helps keep the user in control of the interaction.

    It's a successful transition effect. I would welcome proper use of cross-fades, slides, scene transitions, zooms while providing a smooth and continuous feel. My cell phone does it. My computer does it, my xbox does it, my wii does it, my boxee does it. The DirecTV iPad app does it. Why not my primary TV viewing experience get with the program? It adds a little bit of personality, rather than a boring mundane and jarring experience.

    Again nothing against you. I appreciate and understand where your coming from. Animations and effects don't make the program. IMO they can be used to enhance the user experience if done correctly. I think I stated how I personally feel on it, as you stated your view. Whatever comes out of DirecTV is not in either of our control, so lets just see what happens.
     
  4. harsh

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    Ribbons are showing up elsewhere as well. Microsoft toadie Autodesk is using them to exceedingly poor effect.

    Ribbons don't invalidate what Microsoft has to say about GUI design, but they are surely a 400+ yard golf drive in that direction.

    The real drawback of animation, blurring due to display persistence, is mostly a memory now so as long as it is smooth and doesn't obviously overtax the system or block out response to input, it isn't a bad thing.
     
  5. SPACEMAKER

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    We shall see...
     
  6. Jeremy W

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    DirecTV is already giving demos to their call center employees. It's going to happen this year.
     
  7. hdtvfan0001

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    Shhhhhh.... ;)
     
  8. tonyd79

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    We will have to as an instant redraw takes less time to do than any affect. Therefore, even if it does not impact the computer itself, it impacts ME. Why should I wait for a fade affect when it is not necessary? I prefer my TV to come on instantly, my lights to not "warm up" like CFLs do. Why should I waste the extra time it takes to have something fade in, or grow in.

    BTW, your experience with computer users is exactly the opposite of mine with hundreds of people I come in contact with. They tend to turn off the fancy graphics on their PCs when they want to and I have yet to meet a single user in my job that prefers Windows 7 and they all HATE the latest versions of Office.
     
  9. tonyd79

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    Well, then they are following Microsoft's pattern. The ribbons in Office make it take longer to just about any task. Especially ones more complicated than change the font size.

    (I believe that Autocad ribbons can be turned off and revert to the old GUI. I think I heard that in a meeting; I don't run Autodesk software myself.)

    No, the rest of Windows 7 does that. :)

    There is a drawback of responsiveness to the user. When they put the slow rollout of items in the Start Menu versus the instant, you could toggle them and FEEL the lag from going to menu to menu because of style, not because of computer lag. If something is designed to take a large fraction of a second rather than a millisecond, you notice it and it feels like drag.
     
  10. Jeremy W

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    I'd hate to work with you. I've never met anyone who didn't prefer Windows 7, although Office is more of a mixed bag.

    If you don't prefer Windows 7 (over XP or Vista), you should probably spend less time on your computer and more time yelling at kids to get off your lawn. There are probably some kids on your lawn right now!
     
  11. tonyd79

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    Now that is just a stupid thing to say. There are a lot of stupid things they did in Windows 7 and I have to do some support items in Windows 7 that make that task more difficult.

    We are using Windows in an engineering environment and it stinks for that. We have a lot of engineering tools that have to sit on top of it and there is little give in the OS for that kind of work.

    Also, what type of stupid operating system asks you over and over again if you want to do something. With Windows 7 it got worse. If I have full administration rights over a PC, it asks me if I want to grant rights to myself to do something. Well, duh.

    XP has issues, but why change the interface to fix them? It is the new car syndrome from when Detroit held sway. Make change just to make change. Wow and dazzle the toothless with magic transitions and animations. How about just making the damned thing work right?

    And you would love to work with me. I am very popular and make things happen. Just because I don't act like every program has to be a video game, you have decided that I am an old fogey? Moronic.
     
  12. cypherx

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    We have a mixed bag of age groups at work. Lots of Gen-Y and Gen-X'ers, but a few older generation as well.

    What I'm finding out is that overall a lot of people like Windows 7. The only ones that are a little cautious are the older folk who are just used to what they have. As far as deploying Windows 7, we have a lot of the younger people asking for it. They beg, like we sometimes beg on this forum for HD channels. They are always saying "When can I get windows 7!" The older people don't make a big deal about it.

    I've had a few requests for Office 2010, and funny thing is that they are all younger folk in their early 30's and mid 20's. It seems that the younger folk are easier to accept change and want to see the latest stuff on their workstation.

    I know that is getting a little off topic, but to relate this to the HD GUI... I think a lot of the younger generation are going to embrace it and expect a similar graphical experience that they get on their computers, phones and game consoles. These are the same customers who are driving intense growth in the entertainment sector. Young adults who are getting their first homes, starting families and getting their life in order. These people are the latest consumer generation... sort of the baby boomers kids. There's a lot out there and it's a hot marketing target. So DirecTV most likely wants to appeal to them, like Verizon and Comcast are working on their next generation guides. I mean look at DirecTV now, with a Social TV app, a big presence on Facebook and Twitter, and also mobile and ipad apps. They are shifting focus to appeal to the next big moneymakers before they leave for over the top video. Not that they want to alienate their older customers, but this latest generation presents a TREMENDOUS growth opportunity.

    What DirecTV can do with the new software is yet to be seen. Were still not 100% on what these chipsets can squeeze out of them, before requiring a complete product retooling. I'm sure they can only do so much. If there's a few fancy 'frills', great! If they simply can't do it, well maybe that will come in the next generation guide when the hardware has advanced with Intel CE4100 or even more powerful SoC's on-board that can push those type of processor intense operations.
     
  13. Jeremy W

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    A secure one.
    Are you kidding me? The UAC prompts went way down with Windows 7.
    You do realize you can very easily disable that, right?
    By and large, the interface changes were not to fix issues, but to make things easier to use. And I'd say that the goal was accomplished. It's worth upgrading to Windows 7 just for the Taskbar alone. I absolutely love it.
    It has nothing to do with every program being a "video game" and everything to do with sticking to "the way things have always been done."
    Right back atcha.
     
  14. Sixto

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    Cool ...

    People should post what they can ...

    Thx.

    BTW, really enjoying Windows 7, just moved from XP. Also, I always turn off animation for low-end devices (STBs, mobile, ...)
     
  15. Jeremy W

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    They already have... ;)
     
  16. Sixto

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    Hmmm. Guess I'm not looking hard enough. :)
     
  17. cypherx

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    Yeah I'm blind. I have to look harder myself. This thread is where it belongs. ;)
     
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  19. Joe C

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    Why do the drones that answer the phone have to "know" about the HD GUI ? To me that means there are more changes then just the addition of clear text. Are items/features being moved around also ?
     
  20. trainman

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    'Cause they're the ones who'll have to answer the "the words on my TV box done gone all screwy" calls after the GUI gets updated.

    But also...because they're DirecTV employees, and companies like to keep their employees informed about major initiatives/changes, even if not all employees are directly affected.
     
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