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DIRECTV HD Receiver with TiVo (Official Q1 2010 Thread)

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Stuart Sweet, Dec 22, 2009.

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  1. Jan 8, 2010 #241 of 1240
    Sixto

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    wow. if they need to go back then it may be even harder with support for both old hardware and anything new in the future, unless anything new is similar to the old.
     
  2. Jan 8, 2010 #242 of 1240
    hdtvfan0001

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    Not with Tivo.... :D

    But your roving reporters will be tackling people in the aisles, duct taping them as required, and finding out what we can.....:eek2::eek2::D:lol:
     
  3. Jan 8, 2010 #243 of 1240
    Lee L

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    So you are thinking that the existing boxes will run the TiVo SW? Or that the TiVo box is a totally different animal?

    It just seems so much more logical to me that they are waiting on a new piece of DirecTV hardware that can run DirecTVs SW as well as TiVo. Especially given the press releases that mention the term "new box" but also worded like it was just software.
     
  4. Jan 8, 2010 #244 of 1240
    Syzygy

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    I'm with Sixto. Maybe Doug thinks it's easy to write software that works well on all the flavors of HR2x boxes that are out there now, but I see much evidence that D* has failed to do it. (For example, note how some models were sluggish with one release, and then other models were sluggish with the next release.) I'd hate to see TiVo engineers forced to try it.

    Besides, there's TiVo's requirement that their software be run only on TiVo-badged boxes.

    I think there'll be a new box, and only that box will be able to run TiVo software. It'll run D* firmware as well -- in which case the box will be different only because it won't have the little TiVo guy on its front escutcheon.
     
  5. Jan 8, 2010 #245 of 1240
    Jeremy W

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    Well, since you seem to think Tivo's engineers are so much more competent than DirecTV's, maybe they'd do a better job?
     
  6. Jan 8, 2010 #246 of 1240
    Syzygy

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    Yeah, I actually thought of that! ;)

    But why should they have to try? It's a fool's errand, and it would have a very good chance of failure.
     
  7. Jan 8, 2010 #247 of 1240
    Jeremy W

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    They did it in the past. DirecTV's various Tivo receivers were all made by different companies with slightly different designs, just like the HR2x. But I bet you forgot about that in your never-ending quest to bash the HR2x.
     
  8. Jan 8, 2010 #248 of 1240
    hdtvfan0001

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    Tivo's doing the firmware, DirecTV is providing the hardware plaform (a "next generation" one according to the original press release).

    So its really quite simple - they are partners, they work together and have a joint project plan to deliver this thingy in 2010. That much has been know for over a year.

    Beyond that....it's all speculation.
     
  9. Jan 8, 2010 #249 of 1240
    Syzygy

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    I'll admit it; that fact never entered my mind.

    So, it seems you're stipulating that the TiVo engineers that accomplished that feat are in fact superior to present-day D* engineers, who cannot accomplish a similar feat.

    Or maybe those old SD DVRs "with slightly different designs" weren't very different from each other after all. And maybe the HR2x's have been allowed to be too different from each other.

    Or, maybe HD DVRs (with barely capable hardware) are much harder to program for speed and responsiveness than the SD DVRs were.

    No matter which tack you take, the conclusion should be: Don't try to write software that covers all the (HD) bases!
     
  10. Jan 8, 2010 #250 of 1240
    Doug Brott

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    I don't believe I've ever suggested a different animal ...
     
  11. Jan 8, 2010 #251 of 1240
    Doug Brott

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    I definitely didn't say anything about running on more than one box type. But still I have no hard evidence, only tea leaves.
     
  12. Jan 8, 2010 #252 of 1240
    Doug Brott

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    Well, I don't know that they said "next generation" .. Here's the quote:

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    If you want to read "new HD DVR" as "next generation," then feel free .. I read it as a "TiVo Branded HD DVR" and nothing more. I read "DIRECTV's broadband-enable HD DVR platform" as an existing piece of hardware (some HR2x box with TiVo software). Will it be a yet-to-be-released model? Maybe, but with development likely well under way over the past 6-8 months wouldn't we have seen this elusive new hardware by now from DIRECTV if it were available in some form (even prototype) 8 months ago? Seems suspect to me to think that TiVo would develop something for hardware they don't have access to. The older boxes (including HR23-700) are readily available pretty much since the initial announcement (perhaps HR23 was slightly later).

    I just think that TiVo will have chosen one (perhap more, but probably just one) of the models HR21 or HR23 and will code to that platform. Doesn't mean I'm necessarily right because I can't get anyone to give me cold hard facts :lol: .. But, this is my thought process. I would be surprised if TiVo were available on a yet to be released hardware, but I suppose it could happen.
     
  13. Jan 8, 2010 #253 of 1240
    Jeremy W

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    Tivo's platform was more mature, even back then. As the HR2x is maturing, the difference in performance between the models is getting smaller.
    They were just as different as all of the the HR2x models are.
    I am getting so sick of repeating this: if the HR2x hardware is barely capable, then the Tivo Series 3 and Tivo HD hardware is just as barely capable, since it's exactly the same. If you're going to say that DirecTV is using inferior hardware, then you have to say the same thing about Tivo.
     
  14. Jan 8, 2010 #254 of 1240
    hdtvfan0001

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    Of course...they also originally said 2009 in that same document....:D:lol:
     
  15. Jan 8, 2010 #255 of 1240
    Stuart Sweet

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    Given the timing of the statement, it would have been perfectly reasonable to presume the HR23 was the "next generation HD DVR."
     
  16. Jan 8, 2010 #256 of 1240
    Syzygy

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    Point of order.

    What is a "platform"? Maybe it's the gestalt of all DirecTV receivers and DVRs, plus the sats and their uplinks, and so on...

    Or maybe it's just the idea of DVRs and receivers being linked together via broadband in your home.
     
  17. Jan 8, 2010 #257 of 1240
    Doug Brott

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    You're welcome to parse that idea all you want .. I think we've been there, done that a few times already ..

    I'll lay it out simple .. I think (don't know for sure and not confirmed) that the TiVo software will be on either an HR21 or HR23 hardware device .. I will be surprised if it's not.

    Of course the cosmetics will be different since it will be branded TiVo (per documents we have seen).
     
  18. Jan 8, 2010 #258 of 1240
    gregjones

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    You forgot the possibility that some of the models were manufactured poorly or had inferior components (up to spec on paper but not as reliable in the field).

    Including a less reliable hard drive, for example, could account for quite a number of issues. None of those issue can ever be addressed adequately in software.
     
  19. Jan 8, 2010 #259 of 1240
    Syzygy

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    I'll be very surprised if the TiVo software runs on an HR21. That would knock my socks off, but not in a good way. ;)
     
  20. Jan 8, 2010 #260 of 1240
    gregjones

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    Actually, the $6 million was spent coding a calendar app for the new TiVo software so they could tell how far behind schedule they were.
     
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