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DIRECTV HD Receiver with TiVo (Official Q1 2010 Thread)

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Stuart Sweet, Dec 22, 2009.

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  1. Jan 2, 2010 #41 of 1240
    Alan Gordon

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    I think it depends on HOW one uses a DVR.

    I NEVER understood why someone would want a DVR until I decided to TRY a TiVo. To me it was a glorified VCR, until I realized TiVo made TV my way. Though I have come to depend on standard DVR features (like the ability to record) which meant that the HR2x were a neccessity for my DirecTV account, I still don't get that same feeling with the HR2x as I do with my TiVos.

    If the price is right, I will most likely replace two current DirecTiVos with the new one... but I have YET to determine if I will replace my HR2xs yet. It will most certainly be dependent on the specs of the new TiVo, as well as the specs of the HR2xs when it's time for me to make my decision. It's also possible that I may choose to keep at least one HR2x in order for me to take part in CE.

    At this time, there is only four things I like about the HR2x better than the current TiVos I use. The ability to pad back-to-back programs on the same channel. The ability to bookmark. The ability to see conflicts in the To Do List, and the space meter. Though not counted among the features, CE (mentioned above) is a positive as well.

    I STRONGLY PREFER TiVo's user interface over DirecTV's. Is TiVo's cartoony... somewhat, but then I always thought Windows XP was as well. To me, it works for what it is. While I think DirecTV has made great strides in their GUI since the HR20 came out, DirecTV's first GUI for the HR20 made it look like it was something that came out of the 80s. Sure, it has been improved since then, but it still doesn't look very modern.

    I'm not sure what you mean by "significant storage"? There is a stand-alone TiVo out there with a 1TB hard drive in it... and the ability to add an eSATA hard drive to it... which adds to the internal hard drive instead of replacing it like the HR2x does. I would think that DirecTV would allow TiVo to at least have a 500gb internal drive like the HR23-700... and I'm not sure why they would have a problem with the use of an eSATA drive... particularly if TiVo uses it like DirecTV does (replacing the internal hard drive instead of in addition to).

    As far as Enhanced Capabilities, it all depends on your taste.

    For those parents out there with little kids, I can't imagine any of them not LOVING TiVo KidZone (said to be coming to the NEW DirecTiVo).

    Though I would not normally consider it to be an "Enhanced Capability", the ability to have more than 50 Season Passes is definately a GREAT capability.

    I STILL miss WishLists on my HR23....

    I could go on, but again, it all depends on one's taste.

    ~Alan
     
  2. Jan 2, 2010 #42 of 1240
    Shades228

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    Wishlists are the only thing that I have on my wishlist for the HR series.
     
  3. Jan 2, 2010 #43 of 1240
    Alan Gordon

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    Though I may question some of your other things on the list... the above stands out to me.

    I wonder if DirecTV will require TiVo to do otherwise?

    ~Alan
     
  4. Jan 2, 2010 #44 of 1240
    Syzygy

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    Yes, Alan, I worry about that too.

    I feel that one can never underestimate the evil in a marketer's mind -- and that feeling has surely been reinforced by DirecTV's behavior over the years.
     
  5. Jan 2, 2010 #45 of 1240
    dodge boy

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    but I have 5 DVRs right now and that would be 10 tuners.... :lol:
     
  6. Jan 2, 2010 #46 of 1240
    hdtvfan0001

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    Nice list there.

    The items I highlighted in blue seem quite minuscule or are actually so small in difference that I'm not sure any change is really needed - but I respect that this is your wish list.

    As one who also lived with an HR10-250 before for almost 4 years myself...the Doubleplay/DLB differences seem much more a matter of style than substance....but that's just me.

    I would hope that you will indeed see a number of these items in the new DirecTV Tivobox...as they were in the HR10 before.

    Thanks for sharing the list. :)
    Totally agree Alan.

    In my case, everyone in this household seems to have "outgrown" the Tivo "look and feel". Even Mrs HDTVFAN, who respectfully has the technology sophistication of a spoon, thinks the old Tivo was "much too primitive once we all learned how to use it".

    I suspect a household with youngins :)D) would welcome the previous "look and feel", as it was indeed very easy to learn and use.

    My guess, however, is that Tivo will realize that things have changed over the years, both in terms of the skill sets of users, as well as expectations for capabilities...and the new Tivobox will likely be a mix of "old" and "new".

    That will likely make alot of folks happy in the end.
     
  7. Jan 2, 2010 #47 of 1240
    kevinturcotte

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    I had forgotten about those. I REALLY like the back-to-back programs on the same tuner, though again, more than 2 tuners would help alleviate this lol I see NO reason why Tivo couldn't, and shouldn't include this in ALL their DVRs though. And if for some reason it IS Directv patented (Seems funny nobody has done it), I would think they could include it in the forthcoming MPEG-4 DirecTivo.
     
  8. Jan 2, 2010 #48 of 1240
    kevinturcotte

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    Give me the ability to record a show on a different DVR FROM the DVR I'm currently on when there's a conflict, and that would be a step in the right direction. Letting the receiver automatically do it itself when it comes to Series Links would be closer yet!
     
  9. Jan 2, 2010 #49 of 1240
    Mike Bertelson

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    I must not understand this one. I thought I do this all the time on my HR2x’s. Heck, I’ve even gotten the half hour show at the backend of the 90 min buffer...unless I don’t understand what you meant which is entirely possible.

    Mike
     
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    Syzygy

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    I just tried this on my HR21 again the other day, and it wouldn't work (although it always pretends that it works). I'm talking about manual recording. The backup method is to rewind into the buffer a little ways and press Record. This avoids using the manual recording interface, but you can't capture exactly what you want if the material you want isn't correctly aligned with the schedule because of a live event, or if it's only a fragment of a long show. The HR10-250 does what I want it to do.
     
  11. Jan 2, 2010 #51 of 1240
    Mike Bertelson

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    Now I'm really confused.

    Are you saying it's easier to do a manual recording for something in the buffer rather then pressing the record button because that's what I always do?

    What is "correctly aligned with the schedule" mean?

    I must be seriously missing something. :confused:

    Mike
     
  12. Jan 2, 2010 #52 of 1240
    hdtvfan0001

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    I got lost on that too....so its not just you Mike....
     
  13. Jan 2, 2010 #53 of 1240
    Alan Gordon

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    Let's say a sporting event runs 15 minutes long into a 30 minute program which screws up the guide information. The HR23 would record the last 15 minutes of the sporting event and the first 15 minutes of the 30 minute program. You could record the 30 minute program with a 15 minute padding, but you've now taken up 15 minutes worth of space on your DVR.

    TiVo allows you to tell it what times in the buffer you want it to start and end.

    ~Alan
     
  14. Jan 2, 2010 #54 of 1240
    Alan Gordon

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    Is TiVo the most sophisticated looking GUI out there? No. Are there enhancements TiVo could add? Sure!

    That being said, I'm the exact opposite. I always feel like I'm going backward when I switch from my TiVo Series 3 to the HR2x. The only times I've wished I was watching something on the HR2x was on a few times where I wish I had been able to add padding... or times where I wish I had been able to add a bookmark.

    I don't know anyone with youngins (that's a Southern word, y'all!) who have a TiVo, but I agree.

    My Grandmother and Mom have areas in which they are technically inclined, but STB's are not one of them, and both took to TiVo right from the start. I wouldn't want to guess how annoying it would be to teach them the HR2x GUI.

    My stand-alone TiVos have gained several new capabilities over the years... some of which have come AFTER DirecTV added them to the HR2x GUI, so I'm hoping that some of DirecTV's other features will become TiVo features in the future.

    ~Alan
     
  15. Jan 2, 2010 #55 of 1240
    hdtvfan0001

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    Guess I'm not a tree hugger....was glad to get away from the old Tivo unit and its Fred Flintstone age GUI.

    But since my 8 year old Grandson, 19 year old daughter, and technologically dysfunctional spouse all have had learned the HR2x HD DVRs in less than an hour each....guess it can't be too tough for the youngins' in this neck of the woods. :D:lol:

    Nothing wrong with having different tastes though....so hopefully the next Tivobox meets your expectations on both the GUI and functional fronts.
     
  16. Jan 2, 2010 #56 of 1240
    Alan Gordon

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    Personally, I'm "rooting" for the HR2x to make enough changes between now and the time of release for the TiVo, that I won't even care that it's out.

    I just don't have a lot of faith in that happening...

    ~Alan
     
  17. Jan 3, 2010 #57 of 1240
    Richierich

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    Yeah and I bet your Grandmother and Mom would like to have The Travel Channel in HD!!! :D
     
  18. Jan 3, 2010 #58 of 1240
    hdtvfan0001

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    Ye of little faith. :D;)

    Assuming the new Tivobox shows up 2Q 2010 some time as speculated...there's plenty of time for lots to happen on the HR2x front in the interim.

    In the end, we all want to see the HR2x units perform well and maximize a great viewing experience for everyone.
     
  19. Jan 3, 2010 #59 of 1240
    Sixto

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    Just a reminder for those walking the hallways later in the week ... and peaking into dark areas ... and listening at the bar ... :)

    My top-10, (I know others had lots of additional questions):
    1. Will the new TiVo firmware only run on new hardware (not available for HR23 or prior)?
    2. Assuming only on new hardware, will you be able to a download upgrade from the DirecTV developed firmware, to the TiVo firmware?
    3. Will the TiVo code support DirecTV MRV (stream), or TiVo MRV (copy/play), or Both?
    4. Will TiVo MRV inter-operate with non-TiVo MRV?
    5. HD GUI? with Picture-in-Guide (PIG)?
    6. TiVo2Go?
    7. New Peanut with colored buttons? How about TiVo Glo?
    8. DLB as it has always been?
    9. TiVo Desktop Support (2.8 or later) for Music/Video/Photos?
    10. Assuming, but may want to confirm ... SWM, DoD, Interactive, AM21
    Or just have the TiVo guy/gal just casually check off yes/no on a napkin. :)
     
  20. Jan 3, 2010 #60 of 1240
    hdtvfan0001

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    Printed out your list to take along you know where. ;):D:lol:
     
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