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DIRECTV HD Receiver with TiVo (Official Q1 2011 Thread)

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Mike Bertelson, Dec 28, 2010.

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  1. Jan 14, 2011 #401 of 1101
    SledgeHammer

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    Yeah, thats where I was going with my comment. Tivo's IP is way more valuable then Tivo itself. I think Tivo beating Dish in court says that.

    However, upon further thought, I think if DTV bought Tivo's IP with the "sole purpose" (however well hidden by DTVs lawyers) of hurting Dish, that probably wouldn't fly with the anti-trust peeps.

    But if they did manage to buy Tivos patents, they would own a lot of value DVR patents.
     
  2. Jan 14, 2011 #402 of 1101
    cbessant

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    Why would that make the machine faster. Now you'll have an annoying brick sitting behind the media cabinet. I still have an HR10-250 and it runs great. My old Hughes SD DirecTivo still runs and is used on a TV in the exercise room.
     
  3. Jan 14, 2011 #403 of 1101
    Richierich

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    I didn't say what year my April Prediction was, did I?

    I was talking about April 2012!!! :lol:
     
  4. Jan 14, 2011 #404 of 1101
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    Nice "Swanni-like" prediction recovery attempt. :D :lol:
     
  5. Jan 14, 2011 #405 of 1101
    Richierich

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    Swanni and me are Best Buds!!! :D
     
  6. Jan 14, 2011 #406 of 1101
    SledgeHammer

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    Lolz, because some random installer that worked on a 1 post guys house knows about pre-product info.
     
  7. Jan 14, 2011 #407 of 1101
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    Didn't they shut off all the MPEG2 HD channels?

    If by "runs great" you mean you get all the channels except the ones that the box was actually designed for, well, then yeah, sure :).
     
  8. Jan 14, 2011 #408 of 1101
    SledgeHammer

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    Fixed your typo for you :D
     
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    hdtvfan0001

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    Any credibility you may have had just went South... :D:lol:
     
  10. Jan 14, 2011 #410 of 1101
    gregjones

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    The current agreement extends beyond the expiration of the relevant patents.
     
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    JosephB

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    The length of the agreement between DirecTV and Tivo doesn't have anything to do with the advantages I listed regarding why DirecTV might want Tivo's patents for themselves.
     
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    harsh

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    There's not enough time left on the meter to make the interesting patents worth having. Without the patents, TiVo isn't much more than a verb in the American lexicon.
     
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    wingrider01

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    why wait - their current stock prices are way down to start with
     
  14. Jan 15, 2011 #414 of 1101
    SledgeHammer

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    I think that ship has sailed. I can't remember the last time I heard anybody say "I tivo'ed something last night". I always hear people say "record". Heck, my mom still says "I taped Two and a Half Men" :D.

    Tivo is generally worthless as a company. Any cable / sat provider has a home grown solution now.
     
  15. Jan 15, 2011 #415 of 1101
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    The stock is like $10 right now. That makes the company "worth" 1.1B on paper. In reality, Tivo ain't worth no 1.1B. I doubt I'd even buy them for something in the $300M to $500M range... Just not worth it.

    And haven't you heard? They are about to be mis-managed even further. I remember reading something recently where Tivo is going to shift focus to services rather then HW. WTF. Why would anybody license Tivo software at this point?

    Regardless of what Doug says :D, I still can't fathom that this box will ever see the light of day. It makes zero sense for DTV (aside from a lawsuit deal thing).

    I've seen lots of companies with bad ideas die a deserved death, but Tivo actually had a good idea. So its kind of sad to see them on deaths bed. But they have no one to blame but management.
     
  16. Jan 15, 2011 #416 of 1101
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    A lot of people think Tivo's software is superior to the garbage that cable and satellite (including DirecTV) has come up with so far. Tivo's problem is their management.
     
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    I dunno if I would agree with "a lot of people".

    Besides, I think if you survey those same people and ask "do you think its a extra $5 / month better?" you'd get a resounding NO.

    I don't care about WHDVR or MRV, but apperently lots of people do. The new HD DTivo is not going to support either of those.

    Now ask those same people "would you rather have the Tivo and pay an extra $5/month, or would you rather settle for the lesser GUI and save $5/month plus have MRV and WHDVR?" they'd go for the latter.

    As I don't care about WHDVR / MRV, I do like the Tivo UI better myself, but I wouldn't pay DTV one extra red cent beyond what I have to after all the price gouging they do. If the two DVRs were the same price, I'd probably pick the Tivo, especially if it had the QWERTY remote.

    If it doesn't have the QWERTY remote (which it won't) and doesn't have MRV and WHDVR (which it won't) and isn't super fast (which it won't be) and doesn't have OTA (which it won't), I'll stick with my HR20 :).
     
  18. Jan 15, 2011 #418 of 1101
    Doug Brott

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    The box is real .. It is in people's hands today and has been in beta testers hands for a while now. The only reason it won't see the light of day at this point is if something so out of bounds happen that they have to pull the plug in the 14th hour.
     
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    Doug Brott

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    Yes, this was once true .. now it's turning into "A lot of people thought ..." The problem really is that for most people the ship has sailed. Heck, even the folks over @ TiVoCommunity are finding it hard to drum up support these days - of course, that may be because all of them are in the Beta Test .. :lol:
     
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    I think you'll find that most of the problems that people have with Tivo and the course they've taken have to do with decisions made by the upper management. There is still a lot of fans of Tivo's software and what it once was and could be again.
     
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