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DIRECTV HD Receiver with TiVo (Official Q1 2011 Thread)

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Mike Bertelson, Dec 28, 2010.

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  1. Jan 18, 2011 #501 of 1101
    SledgeHammer

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  2. Jan 18, 2011 #502 of 1101
    cypherx

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    I don't know why Tivo would want to castrate their product line so bad for DirecTV. With other providers like RCN, Suddenlink, and Virgin Media, they are going no holds bar with the Tivo Premiere technology (and MORE in terms of Virgin Media).

    Do you think they backed themselves into the corner when they chose Flash to write the new UI? Perhaps the reference DirecTivo design CPU can't handle flash? I often criticize Tivo for going with Flash, but I can understand their logic. However there are better ways to accomplish the 'frills' with less CPU cycles and memory footprint than Adobe Flash.

    If only their original design was a little more modular. IE) so what if the CPU wasn't powerful enough. It would be modular enough that a faster CPU could sit on the bus. Or the MPEG4/SWM/DECA tuner could be modularized and placed on a newer architected mainboard. Or Memory could be increased as costs came down from the original announcement.

    This is what made the PC take off as rapidly as it did. You can just swap out a CPU, or Memory, or Video card. It's all based on standards. While standards have been changing more rapidly in the past few years, at least it's still a standardized and modular system, within reason. Sure if I upgrade now, I need a motherboard, cpu and memory. However my PCI-E video card and ATX 2.0 power supply would still work. So would my ATX tower case (been using it since 2001 and it's seen 3 different systems in it's day). Tivo and DirecTV should of built this thing from the ground up based on standard interconnects, power requirements, bus transport, etc... Then as they see it's taking so long, they can drop in a CPU with maybe 2 cores or clock it faster so that it can run the flash based premiere software.

    What I like about RCN is their transparency. Jason openly speaks as much as he can on Broadbandreports.com in the RCN forums. This level of transparency keeps the customers informed and enthusiastic about products, beta tests, bugfixes and new features in the pipeline. The silence with DirecTivo is the complete opposite of the new generation way of doing business. It's time for companies to evolve and cater to Gen-Y and the fast paced information age consumers that could potentially be customers for life if made happy. However this new generation of customers are quick to judge and spread the word of any negativity within a product or company. Time for DirecTV and Tivo to be PROACTIVE not REACTIVE.
     
  3. Jan 18, 2011 #503 of 1101
    SledgeHammer

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    Obviously no one outside of Tivo mgmt knows for sure, but the common consensus on DBStalk seems to be that Tivo pretty much bankrupted themselves with the DISH trial(s) and/or DirecTV doesn't really want the box out (but "allowed it" as part of the settlement with Tivo). There is really no benefits from DirecTVs side to having another box. One other theory is that this is a super back burner project for Tivo and they care about it as much as DirecTV does (which is very little to none). They know the box (as is rumored) will be a dud. The Premiere and cable deals are where the focus is at.
     
  4. Jan 18, 2011 #504 of 1101
    newsposter

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    yippee...no SP limits! and i'd love if they put the animation back on the box.


    i know the answer...they are releasing it because i want it and i'm finally getting something i want in life :)
     
  5. Jan 18, 2011 #505 of 1101
    Shades228

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    It could also be that TiVo knows they missed the boat with DirecTV and won't be even close to the numbers they had before. They could be low prioritizing this because they don't think that the ROI will be as large so they aren't spending much on it and letting it take it's time. We will never truly know but this is a very valid scenario. If the HR series were like cable dvr's there would be a much higher demand but the HR series is a good product and most people are very happy with it.
     
  6. Jan 18, 2011 #506 of 1101
    Davenlr

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    I think Tivo is busy debugging their HDGUI on the Premier, and probably has that on top priority.
     
  7. Jan 18, 2011 #507 of 1101
    bdcottle

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    I'm sorry but I think you guys are grossly overestimating the importance of WHDVR / MRV and I'll give you three reasons why.

    1. My home only has one TV and I know plenty of other people who only have one TV in their home. Not everyone has a need for 7 DVR's in their home. To me it's a total waste of resources. In this situation it's like a car dealer trying to sell a high end stereo to a deaf person.

    2. A lot of people like to keep their DVR programs separate, as in one DVR for the kids programs, one for family programs and one for adult programs in the bedroom. In this situation you don't want DVR's to share programs.

    3. Most people aren't tech savvy enough to use WHDVR / MRV. We are very advanced here at DBSTalk but the average user wouldn't be able to figure out how to use it if they knew it was there. I tried to explain it to my brother in law (who has a HR20) but he looked at me like I was trying to explain string theory.

    So if the DirecTIVO is missing WHDVR / MRV I don't think it would be a deal breaker for most people.
     
  8. Jan 18, 2011 #508 of 1101
    matt

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    Seriously? :rolleyes: Is hitting LIST on the remote that hard of a concept?
     
  9. Jan 18, 2011 #509 of 1101
    Doug Brott

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    Did you say you could pause a show in one room and then watch in another? I'm sure it's simple enough for anyone with more than one TV.

    I do agree its not for everyone, but WHDS is something most people will appreciate.
     
  10. Jan 18, 2011 #510 of 1101
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    Sayeth htdtvfan001,
    Is there an "ironic" smiley? 'cause it's ironic you would say that considering the time from the release of a new smartphone to "jailbreaking" it is typically about 48 hours. Well, it did take just over a month to jailbreak Windows Phone 7.

    Smartphone software is no less sophisticated than DVR software. The DVR engineers do have the advantage that their platform doesn't have to support "apps" or provide a public API. Oh, wait: support for XBMC or other mediacenter standards is exactly that.
     
  11. Jan 19, 2011 #511 of 1101
    harsh

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    It will if the new DIRECTiVo shares a similarly sized hard drive with its DIRECTV twin. Imagine the damage you could do with a full complement of high definition Season Passes.
     
  12. Jan 19, 2011 #512 of 1101
    SledgeHammer

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    Major lolz!!! You are comparing jailbreaking a phone with hacking Tivo and/or DirecTV???

    DirecTV has been unhackable for 5+ YEARS now.

    A standalone Tivo can not be hacked. You need to connect to Tivo's servers to get guide data. If you do not have an account, you can not connect. PERIOD. A DirecTivo would get its guide data from the satellite, BUT access control for the DVR service is done on the access card.

    The access card used to be a major source of piracy for DirecTV, but again, it has been completely secure for over 5 YEARS.

    I think its pretty easy to hack though. You can try it yourself. All you need to do is factor a 256 bit prime number to get 2 56 bit prime number keys. No biggie :rolleyes:. I believe with current technology, you should be done in a few MILLION YEARS (SERIOUSLY -- factoring prime numbers is a very hard problem). Like I said, no biggie. But once you get those 2 keys, the system is yours for the taking!!!

    An added incentive is that you would also win a lot of prestigious awards for your work. Everybody wants to know how to factor large prime numbers in a few seconds or minutes.
     
  13. Jan 19, 2011 #513 of 1101
    Mike Bertelson

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    Not gonna happen. These new DVRs (TiVo Series 3, DirecTV) are definitely beyond the capabilities of all but the most skilled electronics experts. It is so difficult as to be impossible for the general user. For all intents and purposes, it is impossible. So, what’s ironic here is you telling hdtvfan0001 that he’s wrong. :D

    Let’s be careful with this discussion. Hacking is a forbidden subject. The general context of what’s already been talked about is as in depth as it can get. If you want to discuss how-to, you’ll have to go somewhere else.

    Mike
     
  14. Jan 19, 2011 #514 of 1101
    RobertE

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    From my daily experience, you couldn't be more wrong about the importance & update of WHDVRs. It is important to people, and the general public has little issue with how it operates.
     
  15. Jan 19, 2011 #515 of 1101
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    B-I-N-G-O. I think it's also a pretty real possibility that they were more interested in the market value of the "announcement" of the renewed DirecTV partnership than the actual product itself.
     
  16. Jan 19, 2011 #516 of 1101
    ffemtreed

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    Which is exactly one of the reasons I am disappointed with DTV. They pretty much mislead customers and blatantly lied about having a new TIVO box "in the next couple of months". They should have just said we signed a new deal with TIVO but we don't have any timeline on when a new TIVO box will be available instead of stringing everyone on for years.
     
  17. Jan 19, 2011 #517 of 1101
    hdtvfan0001

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    The misleading originated from TiVo, who is years behind schedule.

    DirecTV was led to believe themselves that this would all be done a while back, but TiVo failed to deliver (yet again) on a deadline. This has been documented and stated at nauseum, yet apparently some TiVo diehards are still in denial, and continue to point the finger in the wrong direction.
     
  18. Jan 19, 2011 #518 of 1101
    ffemtreed

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    Regardless of whom is to blame, I pay and get my service from directv. Ultimately they are responsible to their customers.

    I firmly believe that DTV never wanted the new tivo box to see the light of day.
     
  19. Jan 19, 2011 #519 of 1101
    tonyd79

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    Hmmm. Let's see. UPS says they are going to deliver your package on Friday. Then an earthquake happens and all routes to your home are shutoff. Blame UPS?

    Or maybe DirecTV should have created a Tivo themselves. Oh, wait, they kind of did.
     
  20. Jan 19, 2011 #520 of 1101
    ffemtreed

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    That is a great relevant comparison!!!! Fits this situation to a perfect T!!!! way to go.

    PS -- Yes DTV did create their own box, too bad the interface looks like something out of the 80's and its slow as molasses in January!

    If the DTV box would respond promptly to remote commands, have a fast list style guide and double the season pass limit I would be 99% happy with the DTV's copy of the TIVO. I can even live with the 8bit interface as long as the guide is close to the old TIVO's.
     
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